Checking the Scotrail information page this morning and a few of these have appeared.
What does it exactly mean? Is it just the train is waiting on a ticket examiner to turn up? Thanks a lot!
Yes, but not as in to turn up for work, but services get their guards from incoming services which may be delayed, or they have to have their PNB
I'm going to disagree there.I don't agree. If the member had been delayed during their shift, I would put the delay down to the original cause (or possibly to 'a delay on a previous journey'). I would reserve 'waiting for a train crew member' for those instances where the person is late getting to work (which may or may not be their fault).
Yes but the customer wouldn't understand or accept that, as the physical train would more than likely be in the platform right before their eyes! "Awaiting a member of train crew" is factually correct.
I do agree there. "A delay on a previous journey" just sounds like taking the mick, as the train is clearly and evidently there in front of you.I'm going to disagree there.
"A delay on a previous journey" to me refers to the actual train itself not being there and thus our service running late.
"waiting for a member of the train crew" refers to one where for whatever reason the member of staff is not currently available (i.e. late running service with a different train or as described previously).
I do agree there. "A delay on a previous journey" just sounds like taking the mick, as the train is clearly and evidently there in front of you.
Even if you tell folks that the crew member is on a delayed train, they likely reponse is "why not get someone else".
it's appalling pseudo-American grammar, I can tell you that.
For interest what is the longest a train crew does?
I have seen gaurds / catering crew do London - Edinburgh but I suspect the driver does not. I know Norwich - Liverpool change at Nottingham and Xc will never get from A-b but how long can they remain on duty? How much is this extended in severe disruption before the drivers become out of hours? You will often see the Southbound 0755 Inverness - London delayed if the northbound was badly delayed the previous evening to allow the driver to recover.
Probably rushed it out and missed the word "crew".
Guards wouldn't do London to Edinburgh - they would along with the driver change at Newcastle.
Catering crews on the other hand do go all the way.
Probably rushed it out and missed the word "crew".
You are entitled to your opinion, but as I do this for a living, I do speak with some authority here. In fact, our traincrew managers get quite irritated if a late start is attributed to 'traincrew' when it's not the crew's fault that they are not where they should be on their diagram.
This is due to waiting on a train member
Yes, like it or not, 'waiting for a train crew member' is one of the ATOC-approved reasons for delay and I suspect the OP missed the word 'crew' out of his post.
I think the majority of people employed as train crew should be mature enough to not take it personally.
Hard not to take it personally though when you walk down the platform and people are asking "where the **** have you been" and "try to make it on time next time you wanker"
Ahhhh our lovely passengers who we should respect so much
Even if you tell folks that the crew member is on a delayed train, they likely reponse is "why not get someone else".
Hard not to take it personally though when you walk down the platform and people are asking "where the **** have you been" and "try to make it on time next time you wanker"
Ahhhh our lovely passengers who we should respect so much
That is sad - I am glad I have never witnessed that. I can see how it may be viewed that the crew were late getting out of bed by some. Luckily the stations I have needed to wait at explicitly state the inbound service the crew are on and it's ETA. Simple communications make life easier for everyone.