on a different note, I don't see why someone working for Carlisle cleaning for example should receive the staff travel benefits that an employee of Virgin Trains receives. I base this purely on the fact that they are not employees of Virgin Trains but instead employed by a company paid by Virgin to provide on board cleaning services. If I was employed by a company contracted to work in another companies premises or vehicles I wouldn't expect to receive the perks that employees of that company simply because I was employed to carry out the work of my employer there.
In the past, these cleaners (or their predecessors) would have been direct employees of BR (maybe virgin too, depending on dates), then TUPE'd to Carlisle.
Maybe its not illegal - but its certainly unfair and against the spirit.
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A petition to reinstate boxes for non-safeguarded staff:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/17508
I realise that this link is possibly off topic to this section of the forum, but I suggest it is very much related to the issues being discussed in this thread.
I'll let people (whether staff or not) read it and make their own decision over whether to sign.