Train Cleaner Job Offer, now asked for DBS check

[baz962]

Actually i just realised that i think you might be missing my point, i believe it is bad driving because you are breaking the law, rules etc. You are saying 72 is not bad on a motorway in this day and age with vastly improved cars. I get that 72 on the m 1 is not un safe, but while it is the legal limit , it is bad driving because it is the law.

 

[MichaelAMW]

Actually i just realised that i think you might be missing my point, i believe it is bad driving because you are breaking the law, rules etc. You are saying 72 is not bad on a motorway in this day and age with vastly improved cars. I get that 72 on the m 1 is not un safe, but while it is the legal limit , it is bad driving because it is the law.

I haven't missed your point - and I completely agree with you. My own take on the law is that you can't have your cake and eat it. If you want to have the protection of the law when it suits you, e.g. a speeding driver runs over your child, then part of the deal in a democracy is that you obey the law yourself, which includes keeping to the speed limit whenever and wherever you are driving, even at 4am on a Sunday morning on the empty M5 south of Exeter. If you don't think the law on speeding applies to you then why should society care if you yourself are the victim of law breaking?

Laws are generally written very clearly and are easy to comply with; if you decide speeding is somehow OK you have put yourself in a position with only entirely arbitrary limits on your behaviour, which judging by a lot of driving that can be observed are founded exclusively on the selfish wishes of the driver and not with any regard for others.

 

[K12r]

Agreed.

 

[OpsWeb]

I know you're right, I said so in the very next post.

Unfortunately I am right, believe me I wish I wasn't. There is no rehabilitation of offenders now if you have 2+ convictions. Totally wrong in my opinion but there's nothing you can do.

I have copied the text from the DBS site, check it out for yourself.
Convictions – Only single convictions that didn’t lead to a suspended or custodial sentence can be filtered, so long as the offence is eligible and the relevant time period has passed.

Filtering only applies to standard and enhanced DBS checks - not basic. Provided any (amount of) conviction(s) are considered spent - they do not show up on a basic disclosure - which is the level the railway require for most front-line rows. Confirmation of this is on the dbs WEBSITE AND AT http://hub.unlock.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/What-will-be-filtered-by-the-DBS.pdf

I have worked for many years in the aviation industry organising basic checks for new staff, you would be amazed at what doesent show up on a basic dislcosure.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I have worked for many years in the aviation industry organising basic checks for new staff, you would be amazed at what doesent show up on a basic dislcosure.

And as I mentioned the Basic check can be run on yourself, so if you're interested/concerned about what may be on one, run one on yourself. The only things required to run a basic check on anyone are confirmation of identity, consent of the subject and payment of the fee.

https://www.gov.uk/request-copy-criminal-record

Twenty five quid a pop. (Other sites will do it but charge more). You can also do a Subject Access Request on Police data about you for £10, but that can't be done on something else and is not intended to be used for employment decisions (may be illegal to do so, I'm not quite sure).

 

[EastMidsMatt]

Filtering only applies to standard and enhanced DBS checks - not basic. Provided any (amount of) conviction(s) are considered spent - they do not show up on a basic disclosure - which is the level the railway require for most front-line rows. Confirmation of this is on the dbs WEBSITE AND AT http://hub.unlock.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/What-will-be-filtered-by-the-DBS.pdf

I have worked for many years in the aviation industry organising basic checks for new staff, you would be amazed at what doesent show up on a basic dislcosure.

Thanks.
This is much more sensible, I didn't realise there was a 'basic' DBS, I just assumed there was standard and enhanced. My current role in the NHS requires me to have an enhanced DBS and so no convictions are 'spent', and, rightly so as I am dealing with the most vulnerable in society. I feel that, for most roles, if people have served their sentence and significant time has passed since, then they should be able to leave said convictions in the past and not be continually dragged down by them.
I support the whole idea of the DBS checks, I just think they should be refined to not unfairly rule out perfectly suitable people.

 

[Biker]

Thank you so much for the extra information about this.
I too thought there was only standard and enhanced checks .
I also agree with these checks wholeheartedly even though they do affect me but they are necessary.

 

[Angrydrunk]

I hate what we have become,

'Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future'
or something like that anyway