Train Cleaner Job Offer, now asked for DBS check

[CatchMeIfUCan]

Did you manage to have a change of mind this morning and go in?

Great opportunity not to be missed!

 

[theking]

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[L1234]

I got a taxi in the end and i got the job, they said everyone makes mistakes and its not to serious. I have to wait till its spent with agency then i will be employed straight away by the company. Im not the first one its happened to

 

[baz962]

I got a taxi in the end and i got the job, they said everyone makes mistakes and its not to serious. I have to wait till its spent with agency then i will be employed straight away by the company. Im not the first one its happened to

Well done mate.

 

[L1234]

thank you i can sleep easy now lol

 

[baz962]

Was it got train driver?

 

[L1234]

i have to work my way up to that but my foots in door now with southern

 

[telstarbox]

Result and be a good boy from now on!

 

[L1234]

Of course lol

 

[sw1ller]

Quality mate. Glad you changed your mind. Congrats.

 

[cbrstu]

Good luck to you L1234. It was only a while ago Virgin as a company were encouraging ex-offenders to apply for roles with them. As long were aware of their background would only stay on their personal record not disclosed to others. If members of the public were aware of employees of different industries and companies of their backgrounds would shiver.

 

[Saracen_83]

Good lad, glad you saw sense and went.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[L1234]

Thank you

 

[Biker]

Unfortunately under the new CRB checks even spent convictions if you have 2 or more will still show up.
If people don't think it hinders you believe me it does. I have 2 minor convictions from 25years ago and they still prevent me from getting a job, it doesn't matter how honest you are and I'm not talking drugs, sexual offences, assault offences or fraud here. My offences are something that today people would only receive a caution for.
I am waiting to see if the rail industry will be any different depending on how far i get but the key is.....be honest, right from the start.

 

[EastMidsMatt]

Unfortunately under the new CRB checks even spent convictions if you have 2 or more will still show up.
If people don't think it hinders you believe me it does. I have 2 minor convictions from 25years ago and they still prevent me from getting a job, it doesn't matter how honest you are and I'm not talking drugs, sexual offences, assault offences or fraud here. My offences are something that today people would only receive a caution for.
I am waiting to see if the rail industry will be any different depending on how far i get but the key is.....be honest, right from the start.

Sorry but I think that's wrong.
Certain convictions WILL always show up such as sexual or violent crimes.
Other, less serious, convictions will be filtered after the appropriate amount of time has passed, and is then considered spent.
One cannot be punished over and over for discretions made when younger.
There has been a change in the DBS system to stop exactly this from happening, people changing and becoming law abiding citizens but being followed everywhere by their past.
If your convictions were minor there is no way they should be still affecting your employment prospects.

 

[EastMidsMatt]

Forget that previous post, I'm wrong.

I fail to see how people can move on in life if they have previous minor convictions following them around for the rest of their lives. If you have been punished in the form of a community sentence, fine or even a few weeks in prison then that should be the end of it.
What happened to having 'spent' convictions that did not need disclosing?

 

[greatkingrat]

There are three levels of DBS checks: Basic, Standard and Enhanced. "Spent" convictions only appear on Standard and Enhanced checks. These can only be requested for certain jobs (eg working with children, care staff, some financial or legal roles). The vast majority of jobs (including pretty much any railway job) only require a Basic check which will not show any spent convictions.

 

[EastMidsMatt]

There are three levels of DBS checks: Basic, Standard and Enhanced. "Spent" convictions only appear on Standard and Enhanced checks. These can only be requested for certain jobs (eg working with children, care staff, some financial or legal roles). The vast majority of jobs (including pretty much any railway job) only require a Basic check which will not show any spent convictions.

That makes much more sense.
Thanks for the clarification.

 

[CatfordCat]

There are three levels of DBS checks: Basic, Standard and Enhanced. "Spent" convictions only appear on Standard and Enhanced checks. These can only be requested for certain jobs (eg working with children, care staff, some financial or legal roles). The vast majority of jobs (including pretty much any railway job) only require a Basic check which will not show any spent convictions.

^ that

also, it's worth bearing in mind that (apart from a very few people who are formally barred from working with children and / or vulnerable adults) it is not DBS's role to tell an employer whether they can or can not employ a person because of their 'record' - they supply information and employers are then expected to make a decision with that information.

also, employers have to satisfy DBS that the role they are hiring for is in scope of standard / enhanced disclosure (i.e. it's specifically exempted from the rehabilitation of offenders act) - they can't just put every applicant for every job through a higher level disclosure just because they feel like it.

there are some employers who will just not touch anyone with a record.

others will have a policy and guidelines for hiring managers and will consider each case individually.

as others have said, if an application form asks you to declare unspent convictions (or spent convictions for an exempt role) and you don't declare them, you are going to be in a worse position than if you do declare them upfront when asked to.

(as an aside, 'job' and 'employer' in this context can include voluntary roles / organisations, especially where children are involved)

Nacro and Unlock are specialist organisations who can offer advice to ex offenders - and to employers who are unsure about how to go about considering applications from ex offenders

 

[OpsWeb]

There is a bit of information from The Government on disclosure checks at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/basic-checks. As others have already said - most jobs (including railway) only ask for a basic check (i.e. unspent convictions). So a caution for anything is considered "spent" immediately and won't ever show at a basic check.

 

[whhistle]

no one deserves the job more than me trust me.

Excuse me?
Sorry but that's such a sweeping statement, not to mention selfish and big headed.
What makes you think you deserve the job more than anyone else?

Ive been consistent trying to get a career but after a lot of knock backs at 24 I might leave it but we shall see.

You're 24?
There are people here who are well into their 30s, if not 40s who still haven't got the career they want...

I'm pretty sure most of us have broken the law at least once...

Many people break the law every day.
I certainly speed on certian roads / areas, so count me in.
Just so happens I was thinking about this very subject on the way to work this morning.
The real question is, what laws are acceptable to break?
Speeding certainly is! But people take a much dimmer view on drugs and theiving.

I fail to see how people can move on in life if they have previous minor convictions following them around for the rest of their lives.

While I sort of agree with you, it does provide a large advert saying you could commit some sort of crime, but in the future, it'll be like it never happened.
So there's no real punishment.
However, the law-breaker preaching to others not to break the law is a great advert to put people off.
On a side note, the amount of gramitical errors in so many of the replies of this thread is eye watering.

 

[baz962]

Excuse me?
Sorry but that's such a sweeping statement, not to mention selfish and big headed.
What makes you think you deserve the job more than anyone else?



You're 24?
There are people here who are well into their 30s, if not 40s who still haven't got the career they want...



Many people break the law every day.
I certainly speed on certian roads / areas, so count me in.
Just so happens I was thinking about this very subject on the way to work this morning.
The real question is, what laws are acceptable to break?
Speeding certainly is! But people take a much dimmer view on drugs and theiving.



While I sort of agree with you, it does provide a large advert saying you could commit some sort of crime, but in the future, it'll be like it never happened.
So there's no real punishment.
However, the law-breaker preaching to others not to break the law is a great advert to put people off.
On a side note, the amount of gramitical errors in so many of the replies of this thread is eye watering.

As is the spelling, e.g gramatical, not gramitical.

 

[EastMidsMatt]

As is the spelling, e.g gramatical, not gramitical.

Lol. Or grammatical.
I think it's amusing that you can pick and choose which laws are acceptable to break! That's rather subjective. I think that someone whose lost a loved one to speeding would disagree wholeheartedly with your statement whhistle.

 

[baz962]

Lol. Or grammatical.
I think it's amusing that you can pick and choose which laws are acceptable to break! That's rather subjective. I think that someone whose lost a loved one to speeding would disagree wholeheartedly with your statement whhistle.

That too lol

 

[K12r]

I think it's amusing that you can pick and choose which laws are acceptable to break! That's rather subjective. I think that someone whose lost a loved one to speeding would disagree wholeheartedly with your statement whhistle.

Lazy old speeding argument that one . Speeding doesn't kill folk, bad driving does.

Plus, almost every time one breaks the speed limit there's no harm done to anyone ( no victim ), unlike producing and supplying drugs, theft and burglary . Additionally the chances of a custodial for first offence are slim to nil so there's a good chance there's more on the record.

That said folk can change and I do wish the OP all the best.

 

[GB]

Lol. Or grammatical.
I think it's amusing that you can pick and choose which laws are acceptable to break! That's rather subjective. I think that someone whose lost a loved one to speeding would disagree wholeheartedly with your statement whhistle.

The real issue is the context of the speeding, not the typical "speeding = automatically means dangerous" argument...and you could probably say that about a lot of petty crimes.

 

[Bromley boy]

There is a bit of information from The Government on disclosure checks at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/basic-checks. As others have already said - most jobs (including railway) only ask for a basic check (i.e. unspent convictions). So a caution for anything is considered "spent" immediately and won't ever show at a basic check.

Indeed. Unless the role requires an enhanced check you are under no obligation to disclose spent convictions, even if asked.

It would also be illegal for the employer to discriminate against you based on spent convictions, due to the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.

Speeding certainly is! But people take a much dimmer view on drugs and theiving.

Speeding, in and of itself, isn’t a recordable criminal offence. It’s not in the same category as drugs and thieving.

While I sort of agree with you, it does provide a large advert saying you could commit some sort of crime, but in the future, it'll be like it never happened.
So there's no real punishment.

I don’t agree. The punishment is the fine/prison sentence handed down by the judge. Once the conviction is spent this punishment has been concluded and the offender has “done his time”. The punishment certainly should not include a lifetime of being denied employment due to a few transgressions during a misspent youth, for example.*

A civilised society certainly should not prevent ex offenders from becoming productive members of society!

*prison sentences over a certain length (4years IIRC) are never spent.

 

[K12r]

And speeding isn't a criminal offence and doesn't show on CRB checks

 

[baz962]

Lazy old speeding argument that one . Speeding doesn't kill folk, bad driving does.

Plus, almost every time one breaks the speed limit there's no harm done to anyone ( no victim ), unlike producing and supplying drugs, theft and burglary . Additionally the chances of a custodial for first offence are slim to nil so there's a good chance there's more on the record.

That said folk can change and I do wish the OP all the best.

No, what if you are speeding way over and cant stop in time. And the drugs argument could be considered weak. I was on a course once and was taught by a specialist drugs officer, backed up by medical proffesionals that drugs actually rarely kill, other than an overdose it is usually what they are cut with e.g bleach, scouring powder etc .

 

[K12r]

No, what if you are speeding way over and cant stop in time. And the drugs argument could be considered weak. I was on a course once and was taught by a specialist drugs officer, backed up by medical proffesionals that drugs actually rarely kill, other than an overdose it is usually what they are cut with e.g bleach, scouring powder etc .


Then it would be the appalling driving that caused the harm not the speed alone .

The assertion that drugs have victims isn't weak. Drugs alone rarely kill but they frequently cause mental health issues, destroy families and undermine the fabric of society both by causing dependant and promoting negative role models .

Drugs supply and use is, corrosive. Hence the consequences when suppliers are caught. They don't get offered a drugs awareness course like speeders may !