Trains CCTV, failblog, youtube...

[Howardh]

Most, if not all, of the newer trains contain visible CCTV cameras in all coaches. Fine - it's for the security of the passengers and to assist catching criminals and all that.

But - often wondered - where are the images stored, how long are they stored for, do they get wiped after a certain length of time?

Secondly, are there procedures in place to prevent any *embarrassing* moments regarding passengers or staff ending up on Failblog? You know the sort of thing, passenger slips and ends up on their backside - fills ITV for hours that sort of garbage? If a bloke with his mobile phone filmed it and uploaded his footage to youtube, is he breaking any bylaws??

Ta!

 

[185143]

Hope not as I have something very good from a quiet coach on my phone!! Not giving any more details in case I have broken any byelaws.

 

[Howardh]

Hope not as I have something very good from a quiet coach on my phone!! Not giving any more details in case I have broken any byelaws.

I wonder, if you had, if you decided to upload the footage from a foreign country whether you could be touched!

*Which, next Friday, could be Dumfries!*

 

[Jonny]

I wonder, if you had, if you decided to upload the footage from a foreign country whether you could be touched!

*Which, next Friday, could be Dumfries!*

Or, never mind the foreign country, more than six months after the fact

 

[DownSouth]

I wonder, if you had, if you decided to upload the footage from a foreign country whether you could be touched!

The UK is one of the countries which subscribes to the view that the location in which internet content is published is wherever it is accessed, not the country from which it was uploaded.

If there's something that's illegal in the UK but not Australia, I can be held in breach of law by posting it online and you viewing it. Whether that applies to content accepted for publishing by another organisation (YouTube, Tumblr, RailUK Forums etc) is a grey area that could go either way.

If a bloke with his mobile phone filmed it and uploaded his footage to youtube, is he breaking any bylaws??

Would any by-law be enough to override the general principle that, unless the person is paid for it or it can be shown to be a breach of copyright, the person who records an image or video is the owner of that image/video?

It's not something I have to worry about because permission is given. The trains I use in Australia have notices saying "images and sound may be recorded and used" posted inside, which if taken as written is a notice giving permission. If a representative of the rail operator ever asks me to delete something, my reply will be to offer them terms for purchasing an exclusive license to the content.

 

[GB]

CCTV would normally fall under the data protection act and images would only be released under certain circumstances and usually only then by the Police.
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Edit: http://ico.org.uk/for_the_public/topic_specific_guides/cctv

 

[deltic1989]

My understanding of the laws is that in a Public place a person is entitled to photograph / film whatever they please, as long as what they are filming / photographing is also in a public place.
With railways and their associated inferstructure being private property I am not entirely sure of the position one would find themselves in should they film someone making an ass of themselves and posting it on You Tube.
Most TOC's are quite relaxed about enthusiasts filming and photting on stations. However I doubt that this relaxed approach would extend to videos of their staff or customers failing spectacularly.
I once took a trip to Newark Northgate to film and phot on a particularly cold day, whilst capturing a 91 storming through the station, the edge of my shot captured the station manager slipping and winding up on hie backside. He spotted me with the camera and asked if I got that. I confirmed I did, he then asked if I would split the £250 with him.
That was a few years ago however, and attitudes may have changed.

 

[sprinterguy]

Most, if not all, of the newer trains contain visible CCTV cameras in all coaches. Fine - it's for the security of the passengers and to assist catching criminals and all that.

But - often wondered - where are the images stored, how long are they stored for, do they get wiped after a certain length of time?

Secondly, are there procedures in place to prevent any *embarrassing* moments regarding passengers or staff ending up on Failblog?

There's no, or at least very little, chance of on-train CCTV footage falling into the wrong hands if all TOCs follow similar procedures to ours. CCTV downloads that get passed on to the police and so forth are kept under lock and key with only a limited number of people able to access them.

There's so many different CCTV systems in use on trains in the UK that it is difficult to keep track. Even trains from the same manufacturer, constructed at different times, can have different systems. At our TOC, it is generally accepted that the Siemens system is far and away more advanced and user friendly than Bombardiers (No surprises there).

Generally the CCTV files won't be touched at all, and if I remember rightly they simply overwrite the previous footage every 7 days. Downloads are usually only taken if a request is made for certain footage.

 

[Howardh]

Thing is, an awful lot of cctv footage - not from the inside of trains I might add - which the police have at their disposal seems to end up filling totally trashy and pointless cops-chasing-criminals shows, never mind the *oh, someone's fallen over, let's have a laugh* shows. I assume much of that footage is taken by the police themselves, but how much is from public cctv cameras that you see on poles etc?

Anyhow, it's good to know train images are in safe hands!