Transpennine woes and a moan...

[Watershed]

Does the TPE 802 between Edinburgh and Manchester run at weekends?

On Saturdays, yes (although the diagram is different to weekdays, being 2 hours earlier throughout).

 

[route101]

On Saturdays, yes (although the diagram is different to weekdays, being 2 hours earlier throughout).

Do you have the times, I fancy sampling the 802 on the WCML.

 

[dk1]

Last week a commented on receiving what must have been an automated delay repay rejection from TPE.

This was following the cancellation of the 09:54 from Liverpool LS which resulted in a diversion via Manchester Oxford Road and a 31 minute late arrival at York.

I have just received an email informing me that I am due £18 refund on the first class club 55 ticket.

That was cancelled on Thursday. Didn’t affect me as planned to get the 10:54 which was only a few minutes late into York, not too busy & friendly guard & catering host. Was very impressed.

 

[gazzaa2]

What have they got against Cleethorpes? Surely they could share out the cancellations a bit better. Is it a line that not many of their drivers sign, and if not why not?

Will the new Liverpool-Cleethorpe routes just be mostly cancelled trains? (they obviously they can't run their existing services as it is so I hold little hope for it). It'll just put more pressure on the Liverpool-Newcastle that at least run half the time.

 

[jfollows]

Do you have the times, I fancy sampling the 802 on the WCML.

You can look yourself; if you look for yesterday's Edinburgh-Manchester Airport services at https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se.../0000-2359?stp=WVSC&show=all&order=wtt&toc=TP you can then drill down and see what operated each service. So 802211 operated 1M91 06:13 Edinburgh to Manchester Airport, and you can follow it through the day to work out its diagram.

 

[Watershed]

Do you have the times, I fancy sampling the 802 on the WCML.

06:13 EDB-MIA
10:10 MIA-EDB
14:10 EDB-MIA
18:10 MIA-EDB

Some of the timings change slightly from the timetable change, but the diagram is essentially the same.

 

[blackfive460]

Anyone who even considers using TPE at this stage must be out of their minds.

Some of us have no choice...

 

[Narrowgauge725]

Well TPE’s timetables links are all broken perhaps they daren’t let you look at them!

 

[trainophile]

Some of us have no choice...

True. Awful if you need to get to work and they are the only option. I quite fancied Scarborough or Bridlington in the new year but I'm absolutely not going to book anything with the current state of play.

 

[NorthWestRover]

Go to Bridlington via Hull.

 

[gazzaa2]

People complaining on Twitter about toilets on one train locked out of use and children crying and wetting themselves. Horrific. Anyone who even considers using TPE at this stage must be out of their minds.

It's crazy that the trains they actually run are usually always full (often crush loaded at weekends in particular). I know people need to use them to go to work or whatever but for leisure it's really not worth it.

 

[blackfive460]

I quite fancied Scarborough or Bridlington in the new year but I'm absolutely not going to book anything with the current state of play.

Scarborough has been doing quite well for a while now with TransPantomime just running shuttles to and from York but it's not good if you want to go beyond York with them.

 

[dk1]

Scarborough has been doing quite well for a while now with TransPantomime just running shuttles to and from York but it's not good if you want to go beyond York with them.

Guests staying at the Principal Hotel would be happy for the Scarborough shuttle to revert to a through service again. Flipping annoying having those noisy 68s idling outside for lengthy periods.

 

[Msq71423]

Looking at tonight's cancellations for tomorrow on the south route from Cleethorpes to Manchester:

1524 running (and all trains prior are running)
1624 cancelled
1724 cancelled
1824 cancelled
1924 cancelled
2024 cancelled
2124 cancelled

Last train of the day tomorrow therefore 1524..

 

[dk1]

Looking at tonight's cancellations for tomorrow on the south route from Cleethorpes to Manchester:

1524 running (and all trains prior are running)
1624 cancelled
1724 cancelled
1824 cancelled
1924 cancelled
2024 cancelled
2124 cancelled

Last train of the day tomorrow therefore 1524..

Late turns are never as popular.

 

[Chester1]

06:13 EDB-MIA
10:10 MIA-EDB
14:10 EDB-MIA
18:10 MIA-EDB

Some of the timings change slightly from the timetable change, but the diagram is essentially the same.

Forgive my ignorance but why do 802s run on WCML? I remember reading about it but have forgotten!

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Looking at tonight's cancellations for tomorrow on the south route from Cleethorpes to Manchester:

1524 running (and all trains prior are running)
1624 cancelled
1724 cancelled
1824 cancelled
1924 cancelled
2024 cancelled
2124 cancelled

Last train of the day tomorrow therefore 1524..

This is an utterly beyond poor and why TPE still have a mgt contract is beyond me.

 

[Kite159]

This is an utterly beyond poor and why TPE still have a mgt contract is beyond me.

Get rid of First and who will take over? The OLR [getting extra money to allow them to take on more] or another company? The issues will still remain, just look at Northern

 

[Luke McDonnell]

I am travelling from Liverpool to York for a day trip on Saturday (10th December) this will be on TPX was supposed to go last month but we moved it due to the strikes should be a good day but looking at this thread should we be OK or what is the chance of disruption at the moment I am going with my Mum and she would not like being stuck in York! I know with or tickets in the event of a cancellation we can use them on the next service though

 

[Killingworth]

Looking at tonight's cancellations for tomorrow on the south route from Cleethorpes to Manchester:

1524 running (and all trains prior are running)
1624 cancelled
1724 cancelled
1824 cancelled
1924 cancelled
2024 cancelled
2124 cancelled

Last train of the day tomorrow therefore 1524..

As it stands tonight although regular users know they have to constantly check timetables and apps to see which trains are likely to complete their full runs on the day.

Try working out quickly which trains you may find running between a pair of stations from this list for tomorrow. It's a hit and miss service, book at your peril. Some now showing as running probably won't.

Cancellations;

Manchester – Cleethorpes

0345 Sheffield – Manchester Airport
0521 Sheffield – Cleethorpes
0556 Manchester Airport – Cleethorpes
1624 Cleethorpes – Manchester Piccadilly
1918 Manchester Piccadilly – Cleethorpes
1924 Cleethorpes – Manchester Piccadilly
2024 Cleethorpes – Manchester Airport
2124 Cleethorpes – Sheffield
2220 Manchester Piccadilly – Doncaster
2330 Manchester Airport – Sheffield

The following services are being amended;

Manchester – Cleethorpes

0536 Doncaster – Manchester Piccadilly – Starts Sheffield
1618 Manchester Piccadilly – Cleethorpes –Terminates Sheffield
1718 Manchester Piccadilly – Cleethorpes – Terminates Sheffield
1724 Cleethorpes – Manchester Piccadilly – Starts Sheffield
1824 Cleethorpes – Manchester Piccadilly – Terminates Sheffield
2052 Manchester Airport – Cleethorpes – Terminates Manchester Piccadilly

*Further short-notice cancellations and amendments to services are likely throughout the day

 

[TheBigD]

Forgive my ignorance but why do 802s run on WCML? I remember reading about it but have forgotten!

Was reported at the time as a combination of getting the 802s to Craigentinny, and to provide a bit of slack in the 397 fleet for mods and maintenance etc etc.

The 802s also have around 50 extra seats which is probably welcomed on some services.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Get rid of First and who will take over? The OLR [getting extra money to allow them to take on more] or another company? The issues will still remain, just look at Northern

TPE have had ample time to sort this and should be stripped of the mgt contract they are utterly failing the communities they purport to serve

 

[Bletchleyite]

Get rid of First and who will take over? The OLR [getting extra money to allow them to take on more] or another company? The issues will still remain, just look at Northern

First at least shouldn't be permitted to profit from this debacle.

 

[Wtloild]

It's my work Christmas do next week in Leeds.
Normally nearly everyone would've arrived by train from Lancs, Greater Manchester, Humberside, NE & various Yorkshire locations, but this year hardly anyone is doing so.
Confidence in rail in the North as a credible mode of transport is evaporating.

 

[dk1]

It's my work Christmas do next week in Leeds.
Normally nearly everyone would've arrived by train from Lancs, Greater Manchester, Humberside, NE & various Yorkshire locations, but this year hardly anyone is doing so.
Confidence in rail in the North as a credible mode of transport is evaporating.

That wasn’t evident at Liverpool or York this week where trains where exceptionally busy. In fact I don’t recall York being as busy apart from race days even before the pandemic. One hospitality chain said however it has had £200k worth of cancelled bookings once RMT announced the strike dates.

 

[py_megapixel]

Confidence in rail in the North as a credible mode of transport is evaporating.

That's my thought exactly.
People who were previously happy to travel by train are now purchasing cars because the railway simply can't be relied upon to get them to work on time. The impression given by the train companies is that they couldn't care less, and there is little appetite in central government to fix it.

 

[Bletchleyite]

People who were previously happy to travel by train are now purchasing cars because the railway simply can't be relied upon to get them to work on time. The impression given by the train companies is that they couldn't care less, and there is little appetite in central government to fix it.

Not very many people are doing that, simply because most families already have at least one car. Thus, it's more reversible than the younger, non-car-owning population of parts of this Forum think. The irreversible thing would be closures.

The railway has been through very bad extended periods before, e.g. the late 1990s gauge corner cracking fiasco that had the whole network running at 50mph and almost everyone who could drive doing so. They mostly came back, because driving into big cities (most of the railway's business is "home town to big city") is grim, as are road coaches, and domestic flights are relevant to a tiny part of the railway's overall business.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Not very many people are doing that, simply because most families already have at least one car. Thus, it's more reversible than the younger, non-car-owning population of parts of this Forum think. The irreversible thing would be closures.

The railway has been through very bad extended periods before, e.g. the late 1990s gauge corner cracking fiasco that had the whole network running at 50mph and almost everyone who could drive doing so. They mostly came back, because driving into big cities (most of the railway's business is "home town to big city") is grim, as are road coaches, and domestic flights are relevant to a tiny part of the railway's overall business.

Agreed the younger generation are more in tune with how a modern environmentally economy needs to function and that public transport is a key enabler. Doesn't mean they should be taken for granted but actually that both sides in this dispute need to do more to close the gap for the greater good of the country.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

...The railway has been through very bad extended periods before, e.g. the late 1990s gauge corner cracking fiasco that had the whole network running at 50mph...

Think that was actually the early 2000's, immediately after the Hatfield train crash incident in October 2000, but otherwise a valid point, IMHO.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Think that was actually the early 2000's, immediately after the Hatfield train crash incident in October 2000, but otherwise a valid point, IMHO.

Thanks. I couldn't decide if it was late 90s or early 2000s, but I do know it was while I was at university.