Trivia: Stations served more by other TOCs than the managing one

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Which stations have fewer calls by the TOC that manages them than a completely different TOC?

For example:

Havant - managed by SWR (3tph each way), served most by Southern (5tph each way)

St Leonards Warrior Square/Hastings - managed by SouthEastern (2tph each way), served most by Southern (4tph each way)

Cheltenham Spa - managed by Great Western Railway (1.5tph each way), served most by CrossCountry (3tph each way)

Retford/Wakefield Westgate - managed by LNER (0.5tph/2tph respectively each way), served most by Northern (2tph/3tph respectively each way)

Newport - managed by Transport for Wales (2.5tph each way), served most by GWR (4tph each way).

Severn Tunnel Junction is similar on a less significant scale.

Preston/Carlisle - managed by Avanti West Coast (2tph) but served more by Northern

York - managed by LNER (2tph each way + 1tp2h starts here) but served more by Northern and just beaten by TransPennine Express (3tph)

Reigate on Sundays - managed by Southern (1tph start here), served most by GWR (2tph each way) If you consider GWR run 4tph in total on weekdays due to it being a 2tph through service while Southern run 2tph only northbound, it counts on weekdays and Saturdays too.


If you forget they’re the same TOC, Thameslink are also the majority provider of services to Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Balcombe, which are Southern managed stations, and offer 6tph vice 2tph at Three Bridges, and 4tph vice 2tph at Haywards Heath and Burgess Hill.

I’m not interested in stations where the managing TOC doesn’t call at all, like Lockerbie by ScotRail and some stations that CrossCountry solely serve. For it to count, the managing TOC does have to call, just less than another one.

As the timetables have been all over the place since COVID, I’m going off the December 2019 pre-COVID timetable here.

 

[91103eastcoast]

Stamford, Oakham and Melton Mowbray are managed by East Midlands Railway but they only call at the stations 2-3 times a day. CrossCountry provide an hourly service.

 

[pdq]

Cottingley. Managed by Northern, but all but a handful of the 1tph services are TPE.

 

[Timmyd]

A number relating to the Overground down here - Crystal Palace (Pre-Covid anyway), Norwood Junction and West Croydon would have more Southern than Overground. Denmark Hill is managed by Thameslink but has move Overground trains. With the current reduced timetables, Herne Hill - managed by South Eastern - and Tulse Hill - managed by Southern - both have more Thameslink trains.

Isn’t Burton on Trent managed by EMR but almost wholly served by Cross Country?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Cottingley. Managed by Northern, but all but a handful of the 1tph services are TPE.

Similarly, Batley. Managed by Northern, served by 2tph most of the time, 1 Northern and one TPE... but the Northern services start later, finish earlier, and don't run on Sundays. Mirfield is much the same, and currently missing the Northern service to Castleford.

Ravensthorpe goes one step further, managed by Northern but served almost entirely by TPE.

 

[JaJaWa]

If you forget they’re the same TOC, Thameslink are also the majority provider of services to Earlswood, Salfords, Horley and Balcombe, which are Southern managed stations, and offer 6tph vice 2tph at Three Bridges, and 4tph vice 2tph at Haywards Heath and Burgess Hill.

Gatwick Airport is Gatwick Express managed / branded despite not being the primary provider but yes technically the same TOC too

 

[InOban]

Lockerbie is managed by Scotrail but has no Scotrail services. I think that staff from Dumfries look after it.

 

[Doctor Fegg]

Isn’t Burton on Trent managed by EMR but almost wholly served by Cross Country?

No East Midlands services at all since the withdrawal of the direct Burton-St Pancras HST.

 

[pdeaves]

Ravensthorpe goes one step further, managed by Northern but served entirely by TPE.

This disagrees: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...-2359?stp=WVS&show=pax-calls&order=wtt&toc=NT Only four Northern calls, but still >0.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Sheffield. Managed by EMR with, in pre Covid times, 3tph. TPE 1, XC 2 and Northern 9.

 

[gledhill56]

Similarly, Batley. Managed by Northern, served by 2tph most of the time, 1 Northern and one TPE... but the Northern services start later, finish earlier, and don't run on Sundays. Mirfield is much the same, and currently missing the Northern service to Castleford.

Ravensthorpe goes one step further, managed by Northern but served entirely by TPE.

Slaithwaite, Marsden, Greenfield, Mossley. All managed by Northern but only served by TPE.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Lockerbie is managed by Scotrail but has no Scotrail services. I think that staff from Dumfries look after it.

Isn’t Burton on Trent managed by EMR but almost wholly served by Cross Country?

No East Midlands services at all since the withdrawal of the direct Burton-St Pancras HST.

Slaithwaite, Marsden, Greenfield, Mossley. All managed by Northern but only served by TPE.

You’ll find these don’t meet my criteria then if you read the OP.

I’m not interested in stations where the managing TOC doesn’t call at all, like Lockerbie by ScotRail and some stations that CrossCountry solely serve. For it to count, the managing TOC does have to call, just less than another one.

As the timetables have been all over the place since COVID, I’m going off the December 2019 pre-COVID timetable here.

 

[Caboose Class]

Similarly, Batley. Managed by Northern, served by 2tph most of the time, 1 Northern and one TPE... but the Northern services start later, finish earlier, and don't run on Sundays. Mirfield is much the same, and currently missing the Northern service to Castleford.

Ravensthorpe goes one step further, managed by Northern but served entirely by TPE.

Ravensthorpe still has a few Northern services, but Slaithwaite, Marsden, Greenfield and Mossley (all managed by Northern) are entirely served by TPE.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Have we had Dunbar? Managed by Scotrail, but on a weekday, only five of the 34 calls at the station are Scotrail services.

XC have 12 calls on a weekday, TPE have nine calls, and LNER have eight calls.

 

[Revilo]

Claverdon and Bearley only served by a few request WMT services (and none at the moment). Most services run by Chiltern.

 

[swt_passenger]

Isn’t Burton on Trent managed by EMR but almost wholly served by Cross Country?

Yes it is, but that scenario - the local TOC running a station that’s primarily XC - was excluded by the OP.

There’s one of my local stations, Swanwick, that gets twice as many Southern as SWR calls.

 

[Peterthegreat]

I think you will find most stations managed by LNER have more services provided by other operators.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I think you will find most stations managed by LNER have more services provided by other operators.

Possible exception being Newark Northgate. Might be others.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Possible exception being Newark Northgate. Might be others.

I would agree with Newark - only a sporadic EMR service. Pre Covid and leaving aside Kings Cross, Peterborough has 3 LNER, 1/2 EMR, 1 XC, 2 TL and 0/1 Anglia per hour, Grantham 2 LNER, 2 EMR and a patchy Hull Trains service, Retford has 0/1 LNER, 1 (sometimes 2) Northern and Hull Trains, Doncaster has 3 LNER, 5 Northern, 1 XC, 1 TPE and irregular EMR, HT and Grand Central), Wakefield Westgate has 2 LNER, 3 Northern and 1 XC, stations York and north thereof probably have around 1/3 of total services operated by LNER.

 

[pdeaves]

I think you will find most stations managed by LNER have more services provided by other operators.

Without checking, I suspect that is/was true of most 'intercity' stations. Though, thinking aloud as it were, I suppose there's not many pure IC TOCs left now.

Ravensthorpe still has a few Northern services, but Slaithwaite, Marsden, Greenfield and Mossley (all managed by Northern) are entirely served by TPE.

That's interesting; do you know when they were last served by Northern, please?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

That's interesting; do you know when they were last served by Northern, please?

Think it was the disastrous May 2018 timetable change.

 

[Caboose Class]

Without checking, I suspect that is/was true of most 'intercity' stations. Though, thinking aloud as it were, I suppose there's not many pure IC TOCs left now.

That's interesting; do you know when they were last served by Northern, please?

I am going by the info on https://live-departures.info/rail/timetable/Ravensthorpe/ Perhaps it is incorrect?

 

[mrd269697]

Lockerbie. Operated by Scotrail, none of their services call there.

Never mind. Just fully read the title.

 

[pdeaves]

I am going by the info on https://live-departures.info/rail/timetable/Ravensthorpe/ Perhaps it is incorrect?

I'm sure it's right, I just didn't know that there were a bunch of Northern stations in that situation.

 

[Parallel]

Alnmouth is managed by Northern who only provide 2tpd but is served more by all of CrossCountry, TPE and LNER.

 

[Kite159]

Think it was the disastrous May 2018 timetable change.

Didn't Northern still run a couple peak time extra services post that timetable change with those services getting dropped later on?

Worcester Shrub Hill, served more by GWR services (hourly from Paddington plus the 2 hourly ones from Bristol) than West Midlands services. At least during the day

 

[Lemmy99uk]

I remember asking my line manager why it was that Carlisle and Preston station were managed by Virgin despite Northern running more services.

He told me that the original station allocation was based on axle count and not on the number of services.

Would be interesting to know if that holds true throughout the network.

 

[pdeaves]

I remember asking my line manager why it was that Carlisle and Preston station were managed by Virgin despite Northern running more services.

He told me that the original station allocation was based on axle count and not on the number of services.

Would be interesting to know if that holds true throughout the network.

That's an interesting method. 'Originally' (depending on how far back in time you go!) they were InterCity stations because they were big and important, as befits a big important sector, and the allocation remains through subsequent operators. IC got the pick and Regional Railways got the rest.

 

[paddy1]

Rugby - managed by Avanti WC but served mainly by LNWR. Stafford - managed by Avanti WC but majority of trains served by LNWR and XC.

 

[Caboose Class]

Attached is a list of TOCs and number of Stations owned / managed.