Trivia: Stations served more by other TOCs than the managing one

[JaJaWa]

Attached is a list of TOCs and number of Stations owned / managed.

Stations managed – nearly all of them are owned by Network Rail

 

[pdeaves]

Attached is a list of TOCs and number of Stations owned / managed.

<plug> individual station details available on sub-pages to http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/stations/station1.shtm

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Rugby - managed by Avanti WC but served mainly by LNWR. Stafford - managed by Avanti WC but majority of trains served by LNWR and XC.

Could probably add Crewe to that list really. LNWR have 4tph plus Northern and TfW, don't imagine Avanti average more than 3 or 4 tph

 

[paddy1]

That's an interesting method. 'Originally' (depending on how far back in time you go!) they were InterCity stations because they were big and important, as befits a big important sector, and the allocation remains through subsequent operators. IC got the pick and Regional Railways got the rest.

Some stations that were not that big and important were presumably allotted to the Intercity under BR because they were served at the time solely or mainly by trains operated by the Intercity sector - Carstairs, Lockerbie and Pewsey spring to mind as they all bore the distinctive Intercity markings and livery on their station signage.

 

[pdeaves]

Some stations that were not that big and important were presumably allotted to the Intercity under BR because they were served at the time solely or mainly by trains operated by the Intercity sector - Carstairs, Lockerbie and Pewsey spring to mind as they all bore the distinctive Intercity markings and livery on their station signage.

Quite so, yes.

 

[mlambeuk]

Chester-Le-Street, managed by Northern but most services provided by Transpennine express.
Don't know if this counts, Sunderland managed by Northern but most services provided by Tyne and Wear Metro.

 

[MikeWM]

Cambridge, Cambridge North and Ely.

Waterbeach, however, is 'correct', as a GN station sandwiched between GA ones.

 

[Watershed]

Stations managed – nearly all of them are owned by Network Rail

Legally, the station sites are leased to the TOC. If you'd call someone with a leasehold on a flat a homeowner, it's probably also technically correct to call TOCs the owners of their stations.

 

[507020]

Legally, the station sites are leased to the TOC. If you'd call someone with a leasehold on a flat a homeowner, it's probably also technically correct to call TOCs the owners of their stations.

I wouldn’t because they and their property are still bound by ground rents unless they buy the freehold. Until then I would call them the lessee, as the TOCs are.

 

[markymark2000]

All stations on Blaneau Ffestiniog Line. Managed by TFW, served mostly by Llew Jones Coaches.


Does that count?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Pre-covid, Chester (managed by TfW) had 6tph TfW services.
But there were also 4tph Merseyrail, 2tph Northern and 1tph (sometimes 2tph) Avanti.
These days, with all the thinning out of TfW and Avanti services, Merseyrail's 4tph wins hands down for frequency.

 

[Dai Corner]

Newport has 2/3tph TfW 4 GWR and 1 XC

 

[markymark2000]

Pre-covid, Chester (managed by TfW) had 6tph TfW services.
But there were also 4tph Merseyrail, 2tph Northern and 1tph (sometimes 2tph) Avanti.
These days, with all the thinning out of TfW and Avanti services, Merseyrail's 4tph wins hands down for frequency.

I think TFW still win it.

1TPH up the coast. 1TPH to Shrewsbury. 1TPH to Crewe, 1 TPH to Manchester. 0.5tph to Liverpool via Halton Curve. At bare minimum.

 

[southern442]

Attached is a list of TOCs and number of Stations owned / managed.

Off-topic but what is the one station that is apparently managed by TfGM?

 

[Watershed]

Off-topic but what is the one station that is apparently managed by TfGM?

Horwich Parkway.

Incidentally, Manchester Airport probably also qualifies. Managed by TPE, who currently operate 1.5tph, whilst Northern run 3tph and TfW 1tph. Pre-Covid those figures were 4tph, 4tph and 1tph respectively.

 

[507020]

Horwich Parkway.

Incidentally, Manchester Airport probably also qualifies. Managed by TPE, who currently operate 1.5tph, whilst Northern run 3tph and TfW 1tph. Pre-Covid those figures were 4tph, 4tph and 1tph respectively.

It isn’t directly managed by TfGM is it? Isn’t it owned by TfGM as opposed to Network Rail but leased to Northern?

 

[Watershed]

It isn’t directly managed by TfGM is it? Isn’t it owned by TfGM as opposed to Network Rail but leased to Northern?

No, its management was taken over by TfGM about a year ago.

There are a number of other stations that aren't owned by Network Rail, for example Warwick Parkway. But that probably justifies its own thread (if there isn't already one).

 

[SAPhil]

Does St Pancras count?

 

[pdeaves]

No, its management was taken over by TfGM about a year ago.

There are a number of other stations that aren't owned by Network Rail, for example Warwick Parkway. But that probably justifies its own thread (if there isn't already one).

Here's a thread just created: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/station-owners.229142/

 

[scrapy]

Stockport and Wigan North Western managed by Avanti but have more Northern services than Avanti.

Horwich Parkway.

Incidentally, Manchester Airport probably also qualifies. Managed by TPE, who currently operate 1.5tph, whilst Northern run 3tph and TfW 1tph. Pre-Covid those figures were 4tph, 4tph and 1tph respectively.

Northern currently run 4tph, Blackpool, Barrow/Windermere, Liverpool (via Earlestown) and Crewe. Pre covid, Northern had 5tph (as above plus Liverpool via Warrington)

 

[Watershed]

Stockport and Wigan North Western managed by Avanti but have more Northern services than Avanti.


Northern currently run 4tph, Blackpool, Barrow/Windermere, Liverpool (via Earlestown) and Crewe. Pre covid, Northern had 5tph (as above plus Liverpool via Warrington)

Oops, I searched for trains towards Piccadilly, forgetting that there's 1tph towards Wilmslow. So even pre-Covid, Northern had more trains.

 

[43055]

One from the May timetable change is Longport (EMR station). Currently served by a largely hourly EMR service between Crewe and Newark with 2 calls from Northern and occasional calls from WMR (don't remember WMR ever calling).

From May most of the EMR calls are moving to WMR Monday to Saturday so most of the services will by by WMR. Sundays will still be solely EMR by the looks of things.

 

[NoMorePacers]

Hull - managed by TPE who run 1tph to/from the station. Northern run 6tph (in the pre-COVID TT) in comparison (ignoring the once daily LNER and various Hull Trains services).

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Ashtead and Leatherhead lost this status when SWR announced the cuts to Guildford/Dorking via Epsom would be permanent. This means Ashtead, Leatherhead and Box Hill & Westhumble once more share the same frequency of service between former most frequent SWR and manager Southern.

For clarity, Ashtead and Leatherhead had 4tph SWR in each direction and 2tph Southern (who manage) in each direction. Each TOC now serves with 2tph meaning those stations would no longer count in the category discussed in this thread.

Box Hill & Westhumble is an interesting one. Until around about 2018/2019, only Southern (who manage) served off-peak with an hourly service, with a very limited number of SWR services calling but most skipping. Following SWR's decision to stop, the station would then have fallen under the category discussed in this thread as they served Boxhill with their half-hourly Dorking service, while Southern continued to serve hourly with the second train per hour skipping Boxhill. Now SWR have dropped one of the two Dorking trains per hour permanently, Boxhill is served equally by SWR and Southern.

 

[ert47]

I think there are a few on the Thameslink routes into Kent like Bat & Ball on the Sevenoaks and Higham on the Rainhams, both managed by Southeastern.

Streatham possibly also falls into this with it being managed by Southern but Thameslink (under normal running) have more services.

 

[py_megapixel]

Stockport is managed by Avanti, which serves it with 3tph in each direction, but it gets 10tph from other TOCs (12tph if you count services withdrawn during Covid), those Northern (6, down from 7 pre-Covid), CrossCountry (1, down from 2 pre-covid), TPE (1), EMT (1) and TfW (1).

 

[Class800]

You’ll find these don’t meet my criteria then if you read the OP.

But the OP surely doesn't have a monopoly on what posters may find of interest to add to the thread

All stations on Blaneau Ffestiniog Line. Managed by TFW, served mostly by Llew Jones Coaches.


Does that count?

I like this one. At times it's certainly been true

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

But the OP surely doesn't have a monopoly on what posters may find of interest to add to the thread

There’s plenty of capacity on the forum for off topic “posts of interest” in other threads

 

[Parallel]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Birmingham Moor Street seems to be much better served by West Midlands Trains than Chiltern Railways currently, and would imagine Solihull and Dorridge are too.

 

[Watershed]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Birmingham Moor Street seems to be much better served by West Midlands Trains than Chiltern Railways currently, and would imagine Solihull and Dorridge are too.

That's always been the case really. Chiltern had at most 5tph passing through the station (at peak times) whereas WMT had 12tph. Even with WMT reducing to 8tph they still exceed Chiltern by some margin.