PDG1949
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Hi
Is there a specific thread on UK GSM-R implementation?
The ATOC 'GSM-R Online' site is well out of date.
Is there a specific thread on UK GSM-R implementation?
The ATOC 'GSM-R Online' site is well out of date.
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I don't think their is but what info are you looking for?
PDG1949
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Hi,
Well I know that North of the Wash, Northern, WCML and ECML are well established GSM-R wise, but as there's been hardly anything on the ATOC GSM-R site for over a year, I'm curious as to how near completion things are - I think TPE and Merseyrail were ones of the last tranche to go over.
If I remember rightly, I think 2015 was the time that Ofcom were requesting return of the 205 MHz NRN freqs and to a lesser extent, the UHF 450 MHz CabSecure ones
thelongestroad
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FGW land is 100% GSMR now.
The only bit left to do is the Merseyrail area which is under test now and due to be approved by the end of July. The RETB lines in Scotland were descoped from rollout a few years ago.
TPE as a TOC have not started their cab fitments yet although the network is available for them for some time
TPE as a TOC have not started their cab fitments yet although the network is available for them for some time
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Interestingly I was up that way this week and saw what looked like the bases for towers and equipment cabinets at a few locations between Inverness and Alness.
PDG1949
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That's good to know -- is there actually a GSM-R implementation timetable in pubkic (or 'semi -public' ) domain? Are there any other TOCs like TPE who still need to changeover given all the land-side GSM-R BS infrastructure is now apparently in place and operational?
I'm not a driver on Highspeed, so I can't guarantee the time scales, but effectively no. It is installed throughout HS1, but only as a general radio. It needs upgrading before it can be used as a secure track to train radio. The upgrade is planned for 2015, with it being complete by the end of that year.
In terms of the fleet, the 395s are in early stages for GSM-R fitment (although there's no rush really), but it's hoped they'll all be fitted by the end of 2014 (note: the 375s, 376s, 465s and 466s are fitted).
Heathrow Express/ Connect will exchange fit once the Heathrow tunnels get installed (I think as part of Crossrail)
FSR have no operational GSM-R radios on their Class 170 & 158 fleet even though the infrastructure has been available since October 2013
Southeastern have only started their exhange fit programme
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Yes, I think the last of which went live this month
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HS1 are looking to provide a cab radio access solution for the first part of next year
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The 350/4s have been delivered with GSMR radios but no NRN radios.
ASharpe
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I have recently noticed in SWT land blue signs saying GSM-R with a short number. Can anyone tell me what they are for?
carriageline
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Can't remember the proper name off the top of my head, but I think they contain the number the driver has to input when registering his GSMR unit, so the signalling system knows where he is
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They are being used to remind the driver of the number to put in when registering his TRN
theageofthetra
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As this is introduced will all the now redudant CSR trackside signs be removed?
O L Leigh
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Eventually perhaps, yes.
But nothing happens quickly. Even where the GSM-R network has expanded it has taken many months for the boards to be moved to reflect this, and this is for a new radio communication system. What happens to redundant boards for a redundant system is another matter. Just look at how many spring point signs there still are across the network where the spring points themselves are long gone.
O L Leigh
But nothing happens quickly. Even where the GSM-R network has expanded it has taken many months for the boards to be moved to reflect this, and this is for a new radio communication system. What happens to redundant boards for a redundant system is another matter. Just look at how many spring point signs there still are across the network where the spring points themselves are long gone.
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theageofthetra
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Just doing a day on GSM-R training today. Hope they put covers on the Emergency call button as can see quite a few delays if that is accidently pressed!
O L Leigh
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The new sets have the button recessed, so it is actually quite hard to press it by mistake. I'm also lead to believe that it needs to be pressed for a couple of seconds to initiate the call, although thankfully I've not had the chance to find out for myself.
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Only heard an emergency on gsm once and that was a mistaken one, when it was first introduced, so I wouldn't worry about accidentally calling it. Great system as long as it puts you through to the correct box. That is its main problem.
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when I did my GSMR course they said an accidental emergency call will be billed to the TOC/FOC .
approx. £90K .
dunno if that was BS or if it has been changed since then .
on a safety brief last year someone asked about fitting a cover .
"oh , we aren't allowed to do that !"
funny how the couple of FL locos I've been on have them !
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approx. £90K .
dunno if that was BS or if it has been changed since then .
on a safety brief last year someone asked about fitting a cover .
"oh , we aren't allowed to do that !"
funny how the couple of FL locos I've been on have them !
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It SHOULD put the neighbouring boxes (depending on areas of course) into the call as well, so everyone has a heads up of what's happening, but of course that isn't always what's needed!
One annoying one I had seen, was a stabled set kept setting off a DSD alarm, and no one at the depot was answering their phone, and as it was from a unregistered set it was causing all sorts of problems (IIRC the call couldn't be cleared down)
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One annoying one I had seen, was a stabled set kept setting off a DSD alarm, and no one at the depot was answering their phone, and as it was from a unregistered set it was causing all sorts of problems (IIRC the call couldn't be cleared down)
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I know of a GSMR call from Harrow-on-the-Hill going to the Wembley (WCML) signaller, which apparently is a fairly frequent issue there. Although GSMR is fitted through the LUL route for Chiltern Railways, SPT's are used for contact to the signaller.
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There was a trial a few years back for collars and covers on the button. I believe there are one or two GSM-R sets with the covers still floating around somewhere in the Cl379 fleet too.
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I hope not as FCC 319s and 377s are still running a mix of both systems more biased towards CSR at the moment.
Cherry_Picker
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Yeah, it happens. It's not a daily occurrence but it has happened to me once or twice. I've got New Street when trying to contact Snow Hill too, but that's why the signaller and driver identify themselves to each other before engaging in a conversation.
Happened on our trains fairly quickly after the radios were fitted. It can lead to a problem when the button becomes difficult to press, a colleague of mine was saying he had a near miss with a trespasser and his hand was shaking so much due to nerves that he couldn't lift the cover for the red button. He ended up pressing the yellow one instead.
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