DarloRich
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Is IEP a project or a program?
Is IEP a project or a program?
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Fiasco would be more appropriate!Is IEP a project or a program?
Fiasco would be more appropriate!
Fiasco would be more appropriate!
Is IEP a project or a program?
No, it has delivered a truly appalling train. See the current Modern Railways...The programme was, but it hasn't delivered a particularly bad train in the scheme of things. Nor is it excessively priced if ordered outside of said programme.
No, it has delivered a truly appalling train. See the current Modern Railways...
I’m a big fan of the train. I hated travelling on a HST, I don’t so much like Pendolinos but they are ok, I hate travelling on a Voyager, 225s were good too. The IET units look good too.No, it has delivered a truly appalling train. See the current Modern Railways...
No, it has delivered a truly appalling train. See the current Modern Railways...
Pretty sure they are limited to 125mph like their predecessors....What, a faster and higher capacity train, you mean....?
I did, and I don't agree with them, to be honest. The seats are rubbish, but that would be neither expensive nor time-consuming to fix (all it would require is a replacement cushion to a slightly different design). Other than the seats there isn't a lot I dislike about them. They are certainly welcome on the WCML, and where possible I will choose them over Pendolinos.
The MR article under discussion just seems to wax lyrical about what if they had been LHCS and slightly shorter vehicles.
You need to re-read the article then.I did, and I don't agree with them, to be honest. The seats are rubbish, but that would be neither expensive nor time-consuming to fix (all it would require is a replacement cushion to a slightly different design). Other than the seats there isn't a lot I dislike about them. They are certainly welcome on the WCML, and where possible I will choose them over Pendolinos.
The MR article under discussion just seems to wax lyrical about what if they had been LHCS and slightly shorter vehicles.
Pretty sure they are limited to 125mph like their predecessors....
Less comfortable.
Less luggage space.
Appalling ride.
More expensive.
I guess those of us who don’t see it that way are wrong then.
To be fair, what a senior railway engineer thinks of the quality of the ride and seats is no more valid than that of members of the travelling public, the very people who use the service each day.
I read comments from folk about the seats etc and perhaps they should see a specialist for their back. Its either that or people are holding a candle to days gone by for HST units (horrible polluting train, horrible train interior, especially the old BR interior), LHCS or the days of when the railway was in decline and fewer people used the services.
Although this is a slight tangent but it flows on from the conversation, what type of seats do the IET units use on GWR, TPE and LNER in standard and first? I’ve only travelled on a TPE unit so I can’t really comment on GWR or LNER. Has anyone travelled on all three?
Think the TPE Mk5a sets are the same too, aren't they?The Standard seat is the infamous Fainsa Sophia. I don't know what the First Class one is called. Yes, I've been on them all and they are identical bar the colour and type of covering.
Think the TPE Mk5a sets are the same too, aren't they?
I find it better than a Mk3 which always feels very rough to me with a lot of side to side sway. The well-riding UK trains are classes 158 and 221. I don't get what people see in the Mk3 ride at all. It was better than the Mk2 and remains better than the Mk4, but that's not saying much at all.
Well if they are all the same, I don’t see the issue. No more or less comfortable than a pendolino or voyager, HSTs or IC225s.The Standard seat is the infamous Fainsa Sophia. I don't know what the First Class one is called. Yes, I've been on them all and they are identical bar the colour and type of covering.
The only issue i have with the trains are that i think TPE should look to be running 7 car trains, which long term is more akin to what is suggested for NPR.IW quotes several other professionals who give more printable but also negative views. It's the accompanying article which is interesting. The DfT had decided on the supplier from the start, and no TOC or indeed anybody in the Industry, had any input. Hence the pocket doors and windowless seats. And the 5-coach sets. And the seats. And....
And as for consulting the passengers...
Fainsa MD (it stands for media distancia / medium distance).I don't know what the First Class one is called.