Waterloo - Reading historical calling patterns

[Carps1000]

Hi
Asked this before but deleted the kind replies but
Does anyone know the actual stopping pattern on the service Mon-Sun Waterloo - Reading trains in these years:

• 1950
• 1963
• 1972
• 1985
• 1992

Just trying to compare notes.
Grateful for any help or even locating any timetables from that era

TY KP x

 

[YorkshireBear]

I was about to respond with search those times in National Rail but then it occurred to me you mean years!

 

[Carps1000]

DoH!! Silly Billy but sorry to you I should have made myself a little more clearer

 

[455driver]

I was about to respond with search those times in National Rail but then it occurred to me you mean years!

I saw 1950 and was going to do exactly the same!

 

[Carps1000]

U R A Silly 455 driver then lol

 

[455driver]

I have been called worse!

 

[Starmill]

I read it the same way but after a brief moment of panicked confusion on '1963' (2003?), I realised

It's for this reason that I like to try to remember the colon in times: 00:01

 

[Carps1000]

So have I 455 Driver lol
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I have been called worse!

So Have I 455 driver LOL

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Back in the 1980s I'm certain there was an hourly service serving Wokingham, Ascot, Staines, Feltham and Richmond only, but someone else will have to verify that. I can't help beyond that though, sorry - I left all my BR timetables at home when I moved to uni :P

 

[Be3G]

I saw 1950 and was going to do exactly the same!

It doesn't help that, Mon–Sat, the trains from Waterloo to Reading actually start their journey at xx50 (and xx20) past the hour!

 

[Nym]

I have been called worse!

On Twitter by any chance?

 

[455driver]

On Twitter by any chance?

I wouldnt know, I dont do tw@ter or faceache.

I have had some lovely names sent by visitor message but they were deleted during a 'tidy', not by me either!

 

[eastwestdivide]

Are those specific years important, or would a couple either side be any use?
I've got 57, 63, 78 and an ABC rail Guide from 85 which should all show Reading services.

But I'll only reply if you promise not to delete this time!

 

[CatfordCat]

I happen to have a winter 1972/3 timetable to hand.

Stopping pattern M-S daytimes is 2 trains per hour:

x:59 ex Waterloo :

Richmond, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Longcross, Sunningdale, Ascot (train divides - rear portion for Guildford via Aldershot) then all stations to Reading (arrive Reading x+1:10)

x:40 ex Waterloo :

Staines, Ascot (connection from but not to semi-fast Waterloo - Guildford), then all stations to Reading (arrive x+1:40)

Some additional trains in peak hours (5 departures from Waterloo between 1700 and 1800, one via Hounslow)

last trains ex Waterloo 2140, 2159 and 2259

Sundays - 2 trains per hour, 29 & 59 ex Waterloo, calling Richmond, Feltham, Staines, Egham (one per hour only), Virginia Water, Longcross (one per hour only), Sunningdale, Ascot (rear portion to Guildford) then all stations to Reading.

Up service to similar pattern (including attaching a portion ex Guildford at Ascot on the slower of the two trains, or both trains on Sundays) - first M-F arrival 0740

I have seen a 1950s timetable, and think it was broadly 2 trains per hour, but with more trains dividing and at more places (think some divided at Staines for Windsor.)

 

[Taunton]

When did the dividing at Ascot for Reading and for Guildford get given up.

It has really impacted on Camberley, a significant town now with no through service, just a connection with a 10 minute wait at Ascot. If the outbound from Waterloo finds the fast lines out to Barnes are closed for works and/or occupied by a freight, or any other reason, it gets behind a local through Richmond and typically ends up at Ascot just as the "connection" is pulling out - apparently they have been told not to wait, despite the fact that without any connecting passengers they are generally empty.

Was told the whole reason for giving up the through trains is so the operator can claim a higher percentage of trains on time. The fact that passengers are inconvenienced time and again at Ascot being neither here nor there.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Waterloo-Reading off-peak daytime service patterns (some differences in the rush hour)...

1957 (SR timetable book)
Weekdays (Mon-Sat) 2 per hour, both the same pattern:
xx24 and xx54
Waterloo, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Longcross Halt, Sunningdale, Ascot (rear portion detached for Aldershot line), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh Halt, Earley, Reading South.
Journey time 1h15

Sundays the same as Mon-Sat, 2 per hour, pattern as above.


1963 (SR timetable book)
exactly the same as 1957


1974 (ABC rail guide)
Weekdays (Mon-Sat) 2 per hour:
xx59
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Longcross, Sunningdale, Ascot (rear portion detached for Aldershot line), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h11
xx40
Waterloo, Staines, Ascot, Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h00

Sundays the same pattern


1978 (BR timetable book)
Weekdays (Mon-Sat) 2 per hour:
xx53
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Longcross, Sunningdale, Ascot (overtaken by xx05 from Waterloo for Aldershot line), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h15
xx35
Waterloo, Feltham, Staines, Ascot (overtaking the xx23 from Waterloo for the Aldershot line), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h02
(i.e. one an hour on each of the Reading and Aldershot branches was fast, overtaking the corresponding slow for the "other" line at Ascot)

Sundays one per hour:
xx20
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Richmond, Twickenham, Whitton, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Sunningdale, Ascot, Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h18


1985 (ABC Rail Guide)
Weekdays (Mon-Sat) 2 per hour:
xx28
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Richmond, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Longcross, Sunningdale, Ascot (connect into Aldershot line shuttle), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h10
xx58
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Richmond, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Sunningdale, Ascot (connect into Aldershot line shuttle), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h10

Sundays 1 per hour:
xx28
Waterloo, Clapham Jn, Richmond, Feltham, Staines, Egham, Virginia Water, Sunningdale, Ascot (connect into Aldershot line shuttle), Bracknell, Wokingham, Winnersh, Earley, Reading. Journey time 1h10

 

[455driver]

Who has told the crews not to wait, I must have missed that one!

If the Reading (or Waterloo) train is in sight then the Guildford will wait for it except if one certain guard is on it but he is an Ahole!

Camberley has 3 direct trains in the morning and 2 (I think) direct trains in the evening, which isn't bad.

 

[Bevan Price]

Nearest I have to 1950 is a 1949 SR timetable - service is same as 1957 timetable posted by eastwestdivide.

 

[David Goddard]

I believe there is some recovery time on the branch line to compensate for late running connections, and around the single track section near Frimley.
Remembering that these branch trains have to share tracks with other services Ash Vale - Aldershot (further recover available during long station call) and again Ash-Guildford, I do not suppose they can afford for these to be delayed too much.

 

[Taunton]

If the Reading (or Waterloo) train is in sight then the Guildford will wait for it except if one certain guard is on it but he is an Ahole.

Well he must be a regular.

I only travel to Bracknell, but it's really galling to see the connection set off about 20 seconds after the main train arrives. It probably takes about 60 seconds to change platforms there. I've seen the passengers starting to run onto the platform just in time to swing onto the rear coupler.

Is this sort of thing not recorded from track circuit data at the signalbox?