Wcml shut?

[bnm]

I'll say again. It has been reported that the police are not treating the death as suspicious.

So, no belief that a third party is involved or that there is any issue with the rolling stock. If there were the police wouldn't be saying 'not suspicious'.

'Not treating the death as suspicious' is police speak for someone either taking their own life or an accidental death. They are not allowed to say suicide, accidental death or misadventure as only that can be attributed by a coroner.

 

[Ferret]

'The railways should be prepared'?! Er, we are - that's why you're tickets are being accepted on other routes! I'd like to congratulate the gentleman concerned for demonstrating a startling lack of intelligence.

 

[All Line Rover]

I knew that "London and Birmingham Railway Ltd" were called "London Midland", but according to the BBC, they seem to have changed their name to "London Midland Railways"! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13039655)

The BBC really should hire some better travel correspondents! The current ones seem to know nothing.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

The BBC really should hire some better travel correspondents! The current ones seem to know nothing.

As is the way with all media. You notice newspaper editors giving Network Rail etc a b*llocking for not doing this that or the other, but do they ever become the MD of Network Rail or a TOC? Exactly. They all know very little about what they write professionally on. Best thing you can do is stay on here or read RAIL etc if you want factually correct info.

 

[S19]

I knew that "London and Birmingham Railway Ltd" were called "London Midland", but according to the BBC, they seem to have changed their name to "London Midland Railways"! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13039655)

The BBC really should hire some better travel correspondents! The current ones seem to know nothing.

I feel that the death of a person is much more important than the minor thing of adding 'Railway' onto the end of London Midland.

Big deal!

 

[ushawk]

It covers the basic details so its adequate i guess, its not as if there speculating in it either.

 

[umontu]

I feel that the death of a person is much more important than the minor thing of adding 'Railway' onto the end of London Midland.

Big deal!

Agreed.

This is very sad.

 

[ushawk]

Forgot to add its sad for all those involved, including the emergency services that have to deal with it.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I feel that the death of a person is much more important than the minor thing of adding 'Railway' onto the end of London Midland.

Big deal!

Seconded. It's very sad this has happened. As the police are not looking for anyone in connection with this, it's unlikely to be anything sinister. I suspect it was either someone trying to smoke in the toilets, or suicide. But we won't know for certain until a coroner returns a verdict.

 

[43167]

'The railways should be prepared'?! Er, we are - that's why you're tickets are being accepted on other routes! I'd like to congratulate the gentleman concerned for demonstrating a startling lack of intelligence.

Sadly he is probably the sort who thinks of nobody but himself. There was a fire in at a hotel in Harrogate last year and one guy who had been staying at it was more bothered about his plans for the day than the fact he had got out of a burning building alive.

 

[All Line Rover]

I feel that the death of a person is much more important than the minor thing of adding 'Railway' onto the end of London Midland.

Big deal!

I do not wish to make presumptions, but I am 99% sure that the fire was caused by someone trying to smoke in the toilet even though it is made very obvious that this is forbidden. How else could a fire happen? If so, it's their own fault, but it's nice to know that no one else was injured.
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Forgot to add its sad for all those involved, including the emergency services that have to deal with it.

I agree with that point.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

How else could a fire happen?

Electrical fault
Suicide
Deliberate attack

There are three ways the fire "could" have happened.

 

[NightatLaira]

I assume all this will be on CCTV if it's a desiro? I.e. the woman entering the toilet, etc, etc.

Spotter I know at MK was told by a LM driver that the emergency button was pressed just south of Bletchley. Train continued to next stop to enable easier emergency service access.

 

[tbtc]

Bloody hell. That's tragic.

Have to say that this is being handled extremely well in Birmingham. I'm due on the 19:50 Chiltern to Leamington. New Street is buy but they've set up temporary information points with lots of staff on hand to explain the options to people. Moor Street is packed with London passengers most of whom seem to know what's going on, plenty of staff there as well

Glad to hear your view of it, its horrible when something like this happens, but its reassuring to hear professionals trying to help explain the situation and the railway cope as best it can.

(and I'm certainly not speculating about what happened, just praising the staff trying to help all those passengers disrupted by events)

 

[mbonwick]

Daily Mail reckon suicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Leighton-Buzzard-train.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[S19]

I do not wish to make presumptions, but I am 99% sure that the fire was caused by someone trying to smoke in the toilet even though it is made very obvious that this is forbidden.

You were there then? :roll:

What I was getting at earlier was the public will be more concerned by a death than the fact BBC called London Midland a slightly wrong name!

The BBC aren't there to please this forum

 

[ushawk]

Daily Mail reckon suicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Leighton-Buzzard-train.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Dont know how they can say that when there is no proof, very irresponcible.

 

[sunday]

Glad to hear your view of it, its horrible when something like this happens, but its reassuring to hear professionals trying to help explain the situation and the railway cope as best it can.

(and I'm certainly not speculating about what happened, just praising the staff trying to help all those passengers disrupted by events)

The staff were wonderful, I've just arrived home and I have to say that this was by far the best response I've ever seen to an unforseen incident on the railways. Full marks to all staff in Birmingham tonight.

The 1950 out of Moor Street was packed out with London passengers the majority of whom seemed alright. A couple of idiots but nothing too bad. I dare say that earlier trains will have been hellish.

 

[NightatLaira]

Anyone know why the train would reverse back up the track in a situation like that? To avoid the fire spreading to the station or something? The driver must have had to change ends...

 

[causton]

Daily Mail reckon suicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Leighton-Buzzard-train.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

More like, the Daily Mail reckon they will sell more papers and generate more controversy by saying suicide!

 

[andyfrommk]

Spotter I know at MK was told by a LM driver that the emergency button was pressed just south of Bletchley. Train continued to next stop to enable easier emergency service access.

But the train stopped south of Leighton Buzzard and it was a EUS to NTP service i.e northbound, also it doesnt have seem to have stopped in the station.

furthermore, I'm sure I read somewhere in an official NR document that a train on fire should not enter a station.

 

[All Line Rover]

You were there then? :roll:

What I was getting at earlier was the public will be more concerned by a death than the fact BBC called London Midland a slightly wrong name!

The BBC aren't there to please this forum

I don't wish to make very speculative presumptions then! It is most likely that the fire was caused by a cigarette.

I can't imagine it being suicide, as it seems a very odd way to do such a thing. (Although you might consider all ways of doing it to be odd.)

I am sure many other people still smoke in the toilets on trains. Occasionally I have smelt it. And, if it was a cigarette that caused the fire in this case (which is highly likely) then it is just another example of some selfish person who can't obey the rules, kills themselves in the process, and causes a lot of disruption to others.

It's very much like people who "paint" graffiti, and then get run over by a train. I have absolutely no sympathy for such people, although I have a lot of sympathy for the train driver.

As you can probably guess, I completely detest smoking, and in my ideal world, it would be completely banned, although I know this will never happen in the near future.
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Daily Mail reckon suicide
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Leighton-Buzzard-train.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Where do they mention suicide?

 

[ralphchadkirk]

So you don't wish to make presumptions, but then you go and write 4 paragraphs about your presumptions?
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Where do they mention suicide?

The woman, 43, is believed to have set herself on fire

There you are.

 

[All Line Rover]

Electrical fault
Suicide
Deliberate attack

There are three ways the fire "could" have happened.

Electric fault: It may have happened, but is highly unlikely. Such a thing has never happened before.

Suicide: As I said before, what a strange way.

Deliberate attack: It is highly unlikely for a suicide bomber to let their bomb off in the loo, which (should!) have a maximum of 1 person in it! If the person was vandalising, why would you kill yourself in the process?
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So you don't wish to make presumptions, but then you go and write 4 paragraphs about your presumptions?
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There you are.

It doesn't mention the word suicide! Could they have meant that she set herself on fire because of using a cigarette?

The Daily Mail is utter rubbish anyway, and just make stories up as they go along.

 

[NightatLaira]

But the train stopped south of Leighton Buzzard and it was a EUS to NTP service i.e northbound, also it doesnt have seem to have stopped in the station.
.

Mail, Sky, BBC and my friend the trainspotter are saying Northampton to London... i.e. southbound

 

[merlodlliw]

Dont know how they can say that when there is no proof, very irresponcible.

emergency services are the proof.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Electric fault: It may have happened, but is highly unlikely. Such a thing has never happened before.

Suicide: As I said before, what a strange way.

Deliberate attack: It is highly unlikely for a suicide bomber to let their bomb off in the loo, which (should!) have a maximum of 1 person in it! If the person was vandalising, why would you kill yourself in the process?

I didn't specify for this incident. Just general ways a fire could start in a train toilet. I don't make presumptions

 

[All Line Rover]

I didn't specify for this incident. Just general ways a fire could start in a train toilet. I don't make presumptions

I knew that, but was just applying them to this situation.

 

[NightatLaira]

It doesn't mention the word suicide! Could they have meant that she set herself on fire because of using a cigarette?

The Daily Mail is utter rubbish anyway, and just make stories up as they go along.

The Mail got the train name right (Desiro) and the TOC name right, which is more than can be said of the BBC.

For all you Mail bashers out there The Guardian are making even sterner presumptions! Naughty Guardian... Oh it's ok for them to do that, they're a nice paper *ducks*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/11/woman-dies-train-fire?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[bnm]

Nobody in the media is saying 'suicide'. That is an inference based on the police statements that they 'are not treating the death as suspicious' and 'are not looking for anyone in connection with the incident'.

These are both common forms of words used by the police and media. It is rare that the media (even the more bombastic elements) will say suicide explicitly, especially before a coroners verdict. The Daily Mail have only inferred; 'It is believed the woman set herself on fire.'

Suicide is just one possible verdict following a non-suspicious death. It could be accidental, misadventure or narrative.