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[ushawk]

emergency services are the proof.

I know, but no official statement of how they died has been released.

 

[Ibex]

To whoever was questioning the direction of the service on the previous page, the train involved was 1N84, the 16:25 Northampton to London Euston service being worked by 350 232.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

The Mail got the train name right (Desiro) and the TOC name right, which is more than can be said of the BBC.

For all you Mail bashers out there The Guardian are making even sterner presumptions! Naughty Guardian... Oh it's ok for them to do that, they're a nice paper *ducks*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/11/woman-dies-train-fire?INTCMP=SRCH

I can't see any assumptions in the Guardian article except that which was said by various spokespeople.

 

[amcluesent]

If it wasn't suicide, seems odd not to use the immediate sources of water to douse the flames. Anyhow, who goes up like a tinderbox from a fag unless using an accelerant?

 

[33056]

Mail, Sky, BBC and my friend the trainspotter are saying Northampton to London... i.e. southbound

As stated later on in the thread, it was definitely a southbound train (1625 Northampton to Euston).

Looking at the pictures it has stopped just north of the station on the up slow, there is an access road which runs alongside from the station car park almost as far as Linslade tunnel.

 

[bnm]

If it wasn't suicide, seems odd not to use the immediate sources of water to douse the flames. Anyhow, who goes up like a tinderbox from a fag unless using an accelerant?

It is not for us, the police or the media to pass verdict. That is the sole preserve of the coroner. It may seem obvious that a person has taken their own life but the statutory processes have to be followed.

I find it rather strange the amount of people on this thread who have assumed 'fire in toilet - must've been smoking'. :roll:

 

[NightatLaira]

@RaphChadKirk

The Mail: "The woman, 43, is believed to have set herself on fire"

The Guardian: "Passenger dies after blaze breaks out in toilet on train"

Both statements are broadly correct - but the Guardian is definitely making more of a drama out of it here; although, for the record, I have no problem with either paper's reporting of the incident.

 

[WestCoast]

I find it rather strange the amount of people on this thread who have assumed 'fire in toilet - must've been smoking'.

I don't - smoking in the toilet is not an unusual occurrence. Look at the number of aviation incidents with cigarettes and fires in toilets, people are going to associate it with that.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

If I may raise a concern, the reports state that the train crew were alerted by other passengers noticing smoke issuing from the toilet.

So why didn't the smoke detectors in the toilet operate?

Well, maybe they did and that simply hasn't been reported, but if they didn't I would be very worried.

 

[TDK]

I don't wish to make very speculative presumptions then! It is most likely that the fire was caused by a cigarette.

No evidence, you don't wish to make assumptions? What is the above then?

 

[CliveJones]

@RaphChadKirk

The Mail: "The woman, 43, is believed to have set herself on fire"

The Guardian: "Passenger dies after blaze breaks out in toilet on train"

Both statements are broadly correct - but the Guardian is definitely making more of a drama out of it here

I absolutely have no idea how you work that out.

 

[amcluesent]

>So why didn't the smoke detectors in the toilet operate?<

Maybe jumpered out after so many alarms from people having a sly fag?

 

[andyfrommk]

Mail, Sky, BBC and my friend the trainspotter are saying Northampton to London... i.e. southbound

Yes, my mistake, the train was a southbound train.

 

[TDK]

Electric fault: It may have happened, but is highly unlikely. Such a thing has never happened before.

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Wrong, I have known of fires on trains in toilets due to electrical faults, normally the hand driers. Most fires on trains are from electrical faults and not cigarettes. Just wait and see what the authorities say instead of assuming. You people really do have a very vivid imagination. All we know from fact is someone has lost their life from a fire on a train in a toilet and nothing else yet, you cannot belive what the Mail or the other papers quote as are all aware that the majority of reporters for the papers do not have a clue.

 

[junglejames]

The Mail got the train name right (Desiro) and the TOC name right, which is more than can be said of the BBC.

For all you Mail bashers out there The Guardian are making even sterner presumptions! Naughty Guardian... Oh it's ok for them to do that, they're a nice paper *ducks*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/11/woman-dies-train-fire?INTCMP=SRCH

Hold on, what presumptions? They are just quoting emergency services. The Mail, whilst not actually saying suicide, have written it in such a way that most will think suicide. The Guardian havent said anything except a woman dying in a blaze in the toilet, and nobody else sought after for the incident.

 

[Some Might Say]

If it was an electrical fault, it could mean all of of LM's 350's pulled out of service for checks which would of course be very bad...

 

[tbtc]

Wrong, I have known of fires on trains in toilets due to electrical faults, normally the hand driers. Most fires on trains are from electrical faults and not cigarettes. Just wait and see what the authorities say instead of assuming. You people really do have a very vivid imagination. All we know from fact is someone has lost their life from a fire on a train in a toilet and nothing else yet, you cannot belive what the Mail or the other papers quote as are all aware that the majority of reporters for the papers do not have a clue.

I agree. The truth will out. But in the meantime, praise for the staff involved in dealing with the disruption, leave the speculation for another day.

 

[CliveJones]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...n-fire-london-midland-services-disrupted.html

If the quote is correct then its suicide.

 

[Crossover]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...n-fire-london-midland-services-disrupted.html

If the quote is correct then its suicide.

What quote? It doesn't say any different on Bloomberg to what has been said anywhere else.

 

[swt_passenger]

If it was an electrical fault, it could mean all of of LM's 350's pulled out of service for checks which would of cause be very bad...

Not to mention all the 185s, 360s, 450s, 444s etc, which will almost certainly include the same kit. [1] I expect they'll all be in service tomorrow as normal, and there'll have been no overnight checks either...

[1] I'm not mentioning 380s because someone is almost bound to jump in and say they are completley different... :roll:

 

[Crossover]

Also, my condolences go to the family of the victim

 

[junglejames]

Is that his way of ruling out smoking?
Although to be honest, i expect most passengers could have said if she was smoking in there. The whole carriage would hve stunk. But hey, lets see what comes out. Despite these quotes from the police, we dont really know anything until the investigation is done, and the corroner gets to work.

 

[amcluesent]

>I expect they'll all be in service tomorrow as normal,...<

The railways can't have a repeat of Hatfield, over-reacting to a single incident and cripling the service for months

 

[junglejames]

What quote? It doesn't say any different on Bloomberg to what has been said anywhere else.

The police have apparently said they arent treating it as an accident, but dont want anybody else in conjunction with it.
Sort of points at the woman doing something on purpose to herself, but we cant be sure.

 

[CliveJones]

What quote? It doesn't say any different on Bloomberg to what has been said anywhere else.

He said the death was not being treated as an accident, but that no other person was involved.

(Well ok its not technically a quote)

However if no one else was involved and its not an accident then its suicide.

 

[junglejames]

Not to mention all the 185s, 360s, 450s, 444s etc, which will almost certainly include the same kit. [1] I expect they'll all be in service tomorrow as normal, and there'll have been no overnight checks either...

[1] I'm not mentioning 380s because someone is almost bound to jump in and say they are completley different... :roll:

Wow. Can you imagine pulling all of those out of service. SWT would have a fun day!! I knew they shouldnt have scrapped all those slammers!! Should have kept them in warm storage for such an eventuality!!! lol

Lets just hope this isnt needed.

 

[Some Might Say]

Lets just hope this isnt needed.

As amcluesent said we really don't need a major overreaction but if checks are necessary then they must be done regardless.

 

[Yew]

I knew that "London and Birmingham Railway Ltd" were called "London Midland", but according to the BBC, they seem to have changed their name to "London Midland Railways"! (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13039655)

The BBC really should hire some better travel correspondents! The current ones seem to know nothing.

You dont see this happening on East coast...sorry, L.N.E.R

 

[junglejames]

As amcluesent said we really don't need a major overreaction but if checks are necessary then they must be done regardless.

Very true. Im just hoping it isnt any sort of electrical fault that requires a full scale checking of all the Desiros

 

[hstmatt]

some on on youtube said that the womans death on the lm was suicide she coverd herself with petrol and set herself on fire on of the utubers dad works for london midland