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WCRC loses judicial review in High Court

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And they'd be right.

The best outcome would be for WCR to find the money from somewhere to put central door locking in all their carriages, but the estimated cost (up to £7m according to the Railway Magazine) would be put on the tickets. Every punter paying an extra few quid for the dubious pleasure of being locked into a train, something which, incidentally, was not deemed necessary for the first 175 years of passenger rail travel.

The alternative is even worse, no Jacobite and far fewer main line excursions, to what end ?
I can remember reading an interview with John Prescott in the RWM years ago, in which Nick Pigott (then RWM editor) asked him what he considered his greatest achievement whilst (effectively) transport Tsar. Nick was astounded to hear Prescott say he was most proud of making central door locking mandatory. Something which makes no significant difference to the safety of almost everyone who uses trains, and, compared to the dangers on the roads, is of no consequence at all.

At the end of the day it comes down to this, if someone opens a train door where they should not and then gets injured, whose fault is that ?
But the unstoppable trend of society is to limit personal responsibility in favour of constantly increasing regulations and restrictions. Basically limiting all our freedoms so that even the most irresponsible and/or plain dumb person is protected from their own stupidity : "it's always someone else's fault".
It’s 2024, not 1954. If companies like WCRC want to operate they need to grasp that fact and start behaving in a mature way that is compliant with the requirements of today.

Apologists for WXRC railing against it need to grasp it, too, because it ain’t changing.
 
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It was a very different world in the 1970's.

The Accident Report for the 1978 Taunton Sleeping Car Fire concluded that train doors should remain unlocked. It was customary at the time to lock doors on Sleeping Cars when travelling at night.
 

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We seem to be discussing a lot about unlocked doors. However in this case the doors are locked and there is a steward in each coach. WCRC case is that this is sufficient and installation of a central door locking system is not necessary.

I must say to me that does not seem unreasonable.
 

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We seem to be discussing a lot about unlocked doors. However in this case the doors are locked and there is a steward in each coach. WCRC case is that this is sufficient and installation of a central door locking system is not necessary.

I must say to me that does not seem unreasonable.

Which was a condition of the exemption and one which they breached under inspection more than once.
 

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We seem to be discussing a lot about unlocked doors. However in this case the doors are locked and there is a steward in each coach. WCRC case is that this is sufficient and installation of a central door locking system is not necessary.

I must say to me that does not seem unreasonable.

Indeed, however their own procedures were, according to reports, not adhered to on more than one occasion.
 

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We seem to be discussing a lot about unlocked doors. However in this case the doors are locked and there is a steward in each coach. WCRC case is that this is sufficient and installation of a central door locking system is not necessary.

I must say to me that does not seem unreasonable.
It is clearly insufficient given not one, but two prohibition orders last year for failing to comply with the agreed method of work, and the example cited in the court case of a passenger managing to get past a steward, open a door and leave a WCRC train whilst it was moving.

This is a company with a very long list of safety related incidents (and a rotten safety culture), I do not understand how anyone can think these chancers should be allowed to be less compliant than any other company.
 

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Can the doom-mongers who seem convinced that this ruling means the end for the heritage railway sector, despite the fact that there has never been any suggestion that they would ever be required to fit CDL, give us one single example of a specific safety system that heritage railways are required to fit to their rolling stock? The only example I can possibly think of is continuous brakes.

Safety management comes down to reducing risks as much as is ‘reasonably practical’. An operator which is comfortably profitable fitting CDL to main line charter stock is one thing. For a heritage railway, the risks are significantly less (primarily due to the lower speed they operate at), and the challenges are much higher because the costs would be so much harder to bear, and that in many cases it would mean making unacceptable alterations to heritage artefacts, so it could never be considered reasonably practical.
I'm not sure how the debate has moved on to Heritage lines. Has there been a passenger fatality on any line? I ride my bike downhill faster than most heritage steam trains.

Probably more likely preserved railways would just do away with on board toilets as journeys are very short and stations pretty much always have them.
Not a great plan if you want families to carry on using them. In my experience, young children tend not to give much notice when they need the toilet.

What an interesting world you live in where some poor sod on a platform or working on the track who gets killed by an open door is irresponsible, dumb, or stupid.
I'm not sure this really helps your point. Any track worker that is close enough to a passing train to be hit by a door should not be working on the track!
 
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It's all self inflicted by WCRC surely?

As far as I know, the ORR gave WCRC an exemption so long as they had mitigation in place. WCRC agreed, then have been caught on multiple occasions not doing so.

Zero sympathy for a TOC who seem to continually have safety issues.
 

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It was a very different world in the 1970's.

The Accident Report for the 1978 Taunton Sleeping Car Fire concluded that train doors should remain unlocked. It was customary at the time to lock doors on Sleeping Cars when travelling at night.
Which is why any secondary door lock system, whether CDL or otherwise, has a clearly labelled emergency override.

It's all self inflicted by WCRC surely?

As far as I know, the ORR gave WCRC an exemption so long as they had mitigation in place. WCRC agreed, then have been caught on multiple occasions not doing so.

Zero sympathy for a TOC who seem to continually have safety issues.
Totally agree: The CDL debate should not detract from the stark fact that several operators including WCRC have derogations with risk control measures agreed with ORR: Secondary bolts, stewards, etc. Routinely failing to comply with your own method of work is not acceptable in any safety critical environment.

The ruling makes an interesting observation that the way the regulation is written is not “ALARP” (As Low As Reasonably Practicable) i.e. practical shortcomings of fitting CDL are not a case for exemption. However alternatives which offer further risk reduction would be acceptable.

Are NYMR also under pressure to roll out CDL on their main line operations? Other operators seem to have extensions to the derogation though having plans to fit CDL in the pipeline.
 

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NYMR don't have to fit CDL yet but they are now limited to a max speed of 25mph when running to Whitby
 

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The report in the 1993 publication on Passenger Falls from Trains seems to identify three main factors as far as I can tell: old slam door stock locks failing and maintenance issues, flexing of the carriage walls, and passenger behaviour / crowding.

The first two of those are really the same thing; the combination of a ruddy awful design of catch in the first place, depending critically on being able to trust the shape of the door frame and the fit of the door to remain within some distinctly tight limits, with a bodywork structure that was inherently bendy and wobbly and was getting steadily wobblier as it got older, made adequate maintenance basically impossible - they'd have had to have had all the doors apart several times a week, kind of thing.

Moreover - as I read it - the 1993 publication would suggest there were no falls recorded in the report for the west highlands over the data collection period. Maybe because the underlying significant factors were not present to make the risk tangibly significant.

Could be. I doubt the typical Jacobite passenger is much inclined to repeatedly take running jumps across the vestibule booting the door to see if they can burst it open, until they find that they can - to choose perhaps the most autodarwinistic incident listed in the report for your third category. Indeed, once you eliminate from that list all the instances of things from people deliberately dicking about down to people incidentally just being so bloody stupid you wonder how they made it onto the train in the first place, there only are about one or two genuine accidents left.
 

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I'm not sure this really helps your point. Any track worker that is close enough to a passing train to be hit by a door should not be working on the track!
Consider how wide a mk3 door swings open (they stop at 90 degrees) and then think about how "mistakes happen" if someone misjudges distance.

Should any passenger close enough to be hit on a platform be banned from using train stations too?
 

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Consider how wide a mk3 door swings open (they stop at 90 degrees) and then think about how "mistakes happen" if someone misjudges distance.

Should any passenger close enough to be hit on a platform be banned from using train stations too?

There aren't any non-CDL Mk3s so only "small" doors are under discussion here.
 

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There aren't any non-CDL Mk3s so only "small" doors are under discussion here.
Thanks for the info. I have next to no knowledge of the WCRC fleet and little interest in their trains so wasn't aware.

The way I see the need to fit CDL to coaches is similar to the way that steam locomotives have been fitted with AWS/TPWS. It should have happened already. If it can't be done and WCRC aren't putting adequate mitigation in place then they shouldn't be on the mainline.
 

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Consider how wide a mk3 door swings open (they stop at 90 degrees) and then think about how "mistakes happen" if someone misjudges distance.

Should any passenger close enough to be hit on a platform be banned from using train stations too?

Any passenger using 'train stations' should certainly be banned from doing so. They should be forced to use railway stations only. :lol:
 

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Any passenger using 'train stations' should certainly be banned from doing so. They should be forced to use railway stations only. :lol:
I deliberately used that phrase to see who'd be the first to comment :lol:
 

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Consider how wide a mk3 door swings open (they stop at 90 degrees) and then think about how "mistakes happen" if someone misjudges distance.
I wouldn't stand that close to a moving train, on the track or on a platform.

Should any passenger close enough to be hit on a platform be banned from using train stations too?
I didn't mention passengers but frankly that's up to them. I never stood that close to the edge in much the same way that I leave a big gap whilst cycling past parked vehicles.
 

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NYMR don't have to fit CDL yet but they are now limited to a max speed of 25mph when running to Whitby
It's also to do with the risk assessment. Grosmont to Whitby is one signalling section so the trains don't pass any others. It's a single track on a double track formation so there's reduced proximity to structures It's lower speed I think line speed is max 30 so reducing to 25 doesn't really make any difference to running times. I believe that the NYMR didnt ask to run Grosmont to Battersby which they previously had a safety case for.
 

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I'm not sure if anyone's done this yet but here is how I would summarise the judgment handed down by the Admin Court:
Para 45: Door stewards do not render doors "not used by passengers".​
Para 46: ORR has discretion to extend a policy previously enforced only on commuter stock to heritage trains.​
Paras 48-52: Discretion was not unlawfully fettered (see note 1 below).​
Paras 88-92: The ORR did, in fact, adequately take into account all factually significant matters.​
Paras 93-96: The ORR acted rationally (see note 2 below).​

Paras 53-87: The key ground - disproportionate interference in property rights

This one is a rather interesting ground. For the ground to succeed there are a few components:
  1. There must be an interference by public action of WCR's right to own and enjoy property; and
  2. Either:
    • That public action serves a legally sufficient public interest; but
    • There are less restrictive means of achieving that goal;
  3. Or:
    • that interference does not serve a legally acceptable public interest.
  4. Lastly, the court will balance the harms and competing public interests - in WCRC's case the cost of central door locking and the safety gain attributable to it.
Here, there can be no doubt that "keeping rail passengers safe" is a strong public interest, so the court correctly moved onto the restrictiveness of means part of it. On this bit the court made several technical observations about the two methods of door locking - door stewards and central locking. Regarding the proportionality/least restrictive measure question, paras 63-65 are dubious for me - see Note 3.

Leaving that aside and moving onto the "impacts on [WCRC]" consideration the court raised several key points:
a) that WCRC hadn't actually demonstrated in evidence (despite the 1000-page bundle) that it actually would cost them as much as they claimed (£7 million) to fit it [para 76];​
b) many other operators had in fact installed central locking, and that the claimants "undue burden/impact" was in fact a corner-cut vis-à-vis other heritage rail operators, and that the ORR was willing to be flexible about the timeframe [paras 80, 84];​
c) not being able to afford safety installations is not a reason for an operator to be exempted from them [para 79].​

Note 1: Statute and regulations often give public authorities wide discretion - public authorities may be empowered to grant exemptions to a catch-all rule in circumstances that it thinks are reasonable (e.g. an authority may be allowed to exempt payment of a processing fee - something which may be exercised if the applicant does not have the means to pay, or to prevent double payment of the fee, for example). Those authorities, out of consistency and practicality often tend to create internal rules or guidelines guiding the use of discretion. This is legally permissible, but such discretion cannot be "fettered" - i.e. the purpose of discretion - flexibility - will be defeated if the authority simply creates a set of rigid rules in exercise of the discretionary power.
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It's important to highlight that as the court pointed out it is not a technical appellate body - judges hearing JR applications are not technical specialists in a given field - they are expected to hear cases regarding things as varied as medical ethics and railway regulation and everything in between. As such they are not in a position to review the facts beyond a "reasonableness" standard...assessed not from the perspective of a layperson with a strong interest in the railways and even less from that of a technically-trained railway professional but from that of an "ordinary person" - this is, in many respects, one of the inevitable limits of the judicial review process, and one reason why the federal government in the US has developed an intricate system of "administrative law judges" who specialise in a given area and who have the technical expertise to do so - as such when a case gets to a general court of law its facts will already have been decided through a quasi-judicial process. In some areas, this is a role which the FTT and UT in the UK now play, but not here.

I think it fair to say that the general confusion by Thornton J between rationality and proportionality do stem at least in part from that lack of understanding in the railways. As a legal proposition, the notion that rationality and proportionality embrace similar kinds of judicial scrutiny but at different standards (rationality is a more deferent standard - in other words courts are less willing to supplant decisions in favour of their own better judgment than they are in proportionality review) is obviously correct. What differs here is that rationality does not only encompass Convention rights but is applicable to a wider range of considertions - by definition a decision is reasonable in whole and not only as concerns the applicant's property interest.

This is where that weakness of the reasonableness/rationality standard comes in - courts are well-equipped to deal with those sorts of situations in contexts with which lawyers will be familiar - immigration, prison restrictions, family custody and parenting arrangements etc as a product of the sum of judicial experience acquired by the courts collectively over the years, and which do not touch upon intensely technical fields. Railway safety on the other hand is the sort of issue which (luckily) do not come before courts very often.
Note 3:
The bit I find slightly dubious comes down to paragraphs 63-65 - there the court held that "the ORR had in mind the proportionality of its decision to refuse an exemption" [63], before going on to illustrate in paragraph 64 the fact that the ORR had said that it found the measures proportionate. The essence of the proportionality standard, however, is that the Court and not the defendant authority must make the proportionality assessment on the basis of what is before the court. This sort of deference in HRA/ECHR proportionality review is of course circular and fallacious. The only balancing up the court seemed to do on this front was in paras 77-78 where it carried out a basic, purely mathematical cost/benefit analysis. What this seems to be highly indicative of is a lack of the technical knowledge on the part of the court needed in order to make a meaningful proportionality determination - the court should be able to weigh up the competing evidence between the restrictiveness and the safety benefit, yet in order to do so it must first learn about how railways are run, passenger behaviour, and how rolling stock is designed etc.
 

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Ticket prices have soared as a result of this ruling! :)

It's no great surprise that fares would go up to cover the costs, but I don't think the increases could be described as "soaring".

Tickets for the ‘Hogwarts Express’ have soared just weeks after a judge ruled the operator will need to spend millions of pounds on upgrades.

The Jacobite steam locomotive runs on one of the most scenic rail lines in Scotland, taking passengers on an 84-mile round trip from Fort William to Mallaig over the Glenfinnan Viaduct.

It’s the same route taken by the Hogwarts Express in the Harry Potter films – and now The Jacobite attracts hundreds of thousands of fans each year.

The Jacobite’s operator West Coast Railways (WCR) has published its rates for the 2024 season, which runs March to October.

Ticket increase on The Jacobite ‘Hogwarts Express’ route for 2024
It comes just a few weeks after it was revealed WCR had lost its court battle to be exempt from so-called slam door improvements.

The train operator said it would cost £7million to upgrade to a central locking system – a bill which would wipe out its profit for a decade.

A first class adult day return is £98 per person, and a standard ticket is £65. In 2023, it was £89 for a first class and £57 for a standard ticket.

A child return is £64 in first class and £36 in standard class. In 2023 it was £63 for a first class seat, and £33 for a standard.

Two people who would like to sit at a private table will pay £210 and anyone who would like to pay for the sole use of a compartment – like Harry Potter and his friends – have to fork out £398 for up to six people.

Fares are all returns, and are also subject to a minimum £3.75 booking fee.
 

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I agree, those price increases don’t seem too unreasonable, especially after inflation is factored in.

But surely the bigger issue is that WCRC cannot currently operate these services using the existing rolling stock in the 2024 summer season without obtaining further approval from ORR. Are they preparing an application to request this approval, which satisfactorily addresses all of the issues raised at the Judicial Review?
 

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That derogation has been rescinded today, January 11th with immediate effect.
Is this meaning that W.C.R.C. are allowed to continue running M.K. 1 coaching stock beyond today as long as they agree a plan with O.R.R. to fit out their carriage doors with C.D.L. now they have hired their fares if the reason behind hiring fares is to fund fitting of C.D.L.?
 

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That derogation has been rescinded today, January 11th with immediate effect.

That's where a two fingered response gets you! With a cooperative attitude there might have been some room for compromise. Not for a do nothing continued derogation of 5 years until February 2029 but actual action to get at least one train set compliant by an agreed early date with others to follow.
 

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Is this meaning that W.C.R.C. are allowed to continue running M.K. 1 coaching stock beyond today as long as they agree a plan with O.R.R. to fit out their carriage doors with C.D.L. now they have hired their fares if the reason behind hiring fares is to fund fitting of C.D.L.?

Not without CDL fitted, no. Permission to run non-CDL fitted stock has now been withdrawn, as of today.
 

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Is this meaning that W.C.R.C. are allowed to continue running M.K. 1 coaching stock beyond today as long as they agree a plan with O.R.R. to fit out their carriage doors with C.D.L. now they have hired their fares if the reason behind hiring fares is to fund fitting of C.D.L.?
No. As I read it, it means that WCRC cannot use any vehicles that are not fitted with CDL, with immediate effect.
 

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Personally the ORR have made the correct decision. WCRC clearly have the wrong safety culture, and an operator like that has no place on the mainline.
Who knows what other shortcuts and cost savings have been made elsewhere
 

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