A Pickwick night coach, with a Kardashian derriere
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What do you think are the ugliest buses ever built?
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A Pickwick night coach, with a Kardashian derriere
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fgwrich
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I cant remember if these were mentioned yet, but another nomination for another Scania / East Lanc's contraption (N112CRB).
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Stagecoach Devon 28705 (F705 BAT) Former Kingston-upon-Hill City Transport Scania N112CRB / East Lancs Service 85 Exeter bus station 7th May 2004
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DevonGeneral-794-F704BAT-Exeter-301102
Devon General no 794 (F704 BAT) Ex-Kingston-upon-Hill City Transport Scania N112CRB / East Lancs Exeter coach station 30th November 2002
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There was also this from East Lancs. How and why did they manage to build so many ugly vehicles?
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Jordan Adam
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Think it need to bleach my eyes after looking at that....I cant remember if these were mentioned yet, but another nomination for another Scania / East Lanc's contraption (N112CRB).
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Stagecoach Devon 28705 (F705 BAT) Former Kingston-upon-Hill City Transport Scania N112CRB / East Lancs Service 85 Exeter bus station 7th May 2004
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Devon General no 794 (F704 BAT) Ex-Kingston-upon-Hill City Transport Scania N112CRB / East Lancs Exeter coach station 30th November 2002
Jordan Adam
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I nominate these, they do look boxy? (all posts credit to photographers) i'm 50/50 on them from pictures.
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I'll nominate even one from my own area at the time....
Go North East: 8807 ND70AEY Yutong
Go North East's new Yutong 8807 ND70AEY is pictured at their Riverside Depot, near the MetroCentre, on November 24th 2020.
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I'll nominate even one from my own area at the time....
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cnjb8
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The Yutongs look much better without the long length battery (not my photo)I nominate these, they do look boxy? (all posts credit to photographers) i'm 50/50 on them from pictures.
Go North East: 8807 ND70AEY Yutong
Go North East's new Yutong 8807 ND70AEY is pictured at their Riverside Depot, near the MetroCentre, on November 24th 2020.
I'll nominate even one from my own area at the time....
First West Yorkshire 68807 YD70 CGX - Yutong E10
Yutong E10 ( Chassis Last Digits : 426 ) Join our Facebook Group www.facebook.com/groups/396815967524113/ © Jordan & Zoe Photographs ©
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The Yutongs look much better without the long length battery (not my photo)
First West Yorkshire 68807 YD70 CGX - Yutong E10
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It does look better on the First Yorkshire
Wow, that thing looks awful, especially as a train. I can't imagine it would be a very smooth ride on the rails either!
I don't think the Yutong buses are ugly as much as looking like a 10 year old, out of date, design. Completely the opposite of other electric buses such as the ADL/BYD or Volvo offerings, or these which can be found in continental Europe (not my photos).
Scania Citywide Electric next generation
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20-02-20 BVG Solaris Urbino 12 Electric 1810, Berlin - Unter den Linden
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Speaking of ugly, the Solaris bus on the bottom here is *ahem* unconventional styling-wise!
Wow, that thing looks awful, especially as a train. I can't imagine it would be a very smooth ride on the rails either!
I don't think the Yutong buses are ugly as much as looking like a 10 year old, out of date, design. Completely the opposite of other electric buses such as the ADL/BYD or Volvo offerings, or these which can be found in continental Europe (not my photos).
Scania Citywide Electric next generation
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20-02-20 BVG Solaris Urbino 12 Electric 1810, Berlin - Unter den Linden
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Speaking of ugly, the Solaris bus on the bottom here is *ahem* unconventional styling-wise!
They all have that "box" design look to me, don't get me wrong I have seen a few of the Merc buses ie Lothian and they look alright inside
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08.03.12 - 7 years after they entered service this was my first ever time looking at one in person. UGLY springs to mind!
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I have seen that bus around Aberdeen once, its not ugly but it does look like a bus that makes no sense!
21201 - SF55 RKA - Stagecoach Western 2
08.03.12 - 7 years after they entered service this was my first ever time looking at one in person. UGLY springs to mind!
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from behind...looks like a Leyland Tiger from the back (or was the design to look like it?)
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Bletchleyite
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The problem with electrics is that they all look like a double decker that's had an argument with a tree, because you need the higher roof for the batteries. Not sure of the solution there - I guess we'll just get used to it.
As for double deckers which actually did have an argument with something and get converted...
Single deck Atlantean conversion
As for double deckers which actually did have an argument with something and get converted...
Single deck Atlantean conversion
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Ah yes! Wright's attempt at a bus that thinks it's a coach. I'd completely forgot about this!I have seen that bus around Aberdeen once, its not ugly but it does look like a bus that makes no sense!
21201 - SF55 RKA - Stagecoach Western 2
08.03.12 - 7 years after they entered service this was my first ever time looking at one in person. UGLY springs to mind!
from behind...looks like a Leyland Tiger from the back (or was the design to look like it?)
Erm, how can I put this politely?
What on earth were they thinking when they came up with it?!
Bletchleyite
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Goodness knows regarding the design, though that kind of vehicle is common in mainland Europe on regional services (stuff like the Oxford-Bedford X5 or the MK-Luton 99) rather than using a bus or a proper coach, and they seem to manage not to make them look stupid like that does.
I'm also going to maybe say or is it ask? Are some of these buses possibly prototypes or like some above recycled?. I ask in reason prototype as the one I posted and the other the Plaxton Pronto? As you don't see the major bus companies buying in a lot of them?
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Wasn't there an Ailsa converted as well, think that was due to decapitation? Not sure it ran in service as certification was too expensive. Sure Black Prince had it? If I remember it was also quite hideous to look at. Also seem to remember some Atlanteans or maybe Fleetlines were rebodied by East Lancs as single deckers and wouldn't have won any beauty prizes or have I made that up?The problem with electrics is that they all look like a double decker that's had an argument with a tree, because you need the higher roof for the batteries. Not sure of the solution there - I guess we'll just get used to it.
As for double deckers which actually did have an argument with something and get converted...
Single deck Atlantean conversion
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Statto
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Just found it
Black Prince Ailsa saloon
For a while in the mid-1990s, Black Prince operated this ex-Strathclyde Buses Volvo Ailsa MGE 185P, which had been cut down from a double deck body. It's seen here in the centre of Leeds in the mid 1990s, about to turn left into Boar Lane. Looking at Google maps, this area seems to have changed...
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The only reason those Alexander AL/AV conversions look so odd is because of the shallow windows. If they'd had windows that were the same height as the RH/RV I doubt they'd look so bad.
I'll go with the Dennis Darts however.... (there is probably more than these in reality and varied over the years...)
1994 - verdict: nah...
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maybe late 00s?? (picture is updated livery), its OK.
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2014 upgrade(?) ... just looks weird at front, but didn't know the darts had been revived again! (headlights and the screen display part just look weird compared to previous sets as above)
1994 - verdict: nah...
1994 Dennis Dart
1994 Dennis Dart with Plaxton Pointer body, (L503VHU), of Bristol Omnibus Co, trading as City Line, No.WE 1503 at Bitton Station, AVR, 11 November 2018.
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maybe late 00s?? (picture is updated livery), its OK.
Stagecoach South West Dennis Dart NK04 NPV 34610 , Royal Parade Plymouth 18.8.20
Stagecoach South West Dennis Dart NK04 NPV 34610 , Royal Parade Plymouth 18.8.20
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2014 upgrade(?) ... just looks weird at front, but didn't know the darts had been revived again! (headlights and the screen display part just look weird compared to previous sets as above)
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Personally I rather like the Plaxton Pointer and Pointer 2 - not outstanding pieces of design, but certainly not bad either.
The bottom picture @kez19 is a Caetano Nimbus body, which I agree is pretty awful, but a slight improvement on its predecessor, the Caetano Compass.
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However, the worst Dart body is surely the split screen Wright Handybus;
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The bottom picture @kez19 is a Caetano Nimbus body, which I agree is pretty awful, but a slight improvement on its predecessor, the Caetano Compass.
D Jones & Son - V12DJS
Here in this photograph we have this D Jones & Son Dennis Dart 10.7M Caetano Compass registered V12DJS it is seen here on Plas Gwyn Road, Wrexham whilst operating a Service 39 to Hullah Lane. This vehicle was new to D Jones & Son in January 2000.
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However, the worst Dart body is surely the split screen Wright Handybus;
Dart - Brooklands 22/10/17.
Wright Handybus bodied Dennis Dart DW15, stands at Brooklands inbetween shuttle bus duties.
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Not wanting to be outdone by the folks at Ballymena, here's East Lancs Dart 'effort', the 'EL2000'.
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Arriva Dennis Dart 1239 N239CKA - Manchester
Arriva North West Dennis Dart/East Lancs EL2000 1239.N239CKA in Mosley Street, Manchester on the 7th September 2007.
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I don't think the EL2000 looks as bad as people make out - it just didn't age well as liveries changed and were updated.
The Dart didn't wear the EL2000 particularly well, but larger vehicles did slightly better
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The Dart didn't wear the EL2000 particularly well, but larger vehicles did slightly better
TRAVEL DUNDEE 112 K412MSL
K412MSL was a Scania N113CRB / East Lancs EL2000 B45F purchased new by Tayside in June 1993. It is shown in Dundee in a later version of its livery, as it heads to Fintry. It would later become Yorkshire Traction (209), then Stagecoach Yorkshire (28650), before joining PC Coaches of Lincoln.
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Personally I rather like the Plaxton Pointer and Pointer 2 - not outstanding pieces of design, but certainly not bad either.
The bottom picture @kez19 is a Caetano Nimbus body, which I agree is pretty awful, but a slight improvement on its predecessor, the Caetano Compass.
D Jones & Son - V12DJS
Here in this photograph we have this D Jones & Son Dennis Dart 10.7M Caetano Compass registered V12DJS it is seen here on Plas Gwyn Road, Wrexham whilst operating a Service 39 to Hullah Lane. This vehicle was new to D Jones & Son in January 2000.
However, the worst Dart body is surely the split screen Wright Handybus;
Dart - Brooklands 22/10/17.
Wright Handybus bodied Dennis Dart DW15, stands at Brooklands inbetween shuttle bus duties.
I take it back regarding saying the Yutongs looking "boxy" but that dart you highlighted is next level!
Didn't realise thats what the "upgraded" body of a Dart was... a Caetano Nimbus.
In relation to Darts was there a longer single decker made by them does anyone remember? I remember when Xplore had them they didn't have much power to get off the ground? I was looking on Flickr but can't find one!
eventually found one..
Lemon goes low floor
One of the two former Stagecoach London Super Plaxton Darts that The Big Lemon have purchased for its new service 52 contract. Seen in the depot this morning Saturday 25 August.
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The Alexander East Lancs Royaleoneer
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S660NUG First Leeds Volvo Olympian 30244
A quite famous bus in northern bus circles is this Alexander Royale bodied Volvo Olympian which lost it's roof earlier in life and had the upper deck rebuilt by East Lancs. Formerly First Manchester 3407 it now lives in Leeds as 30244 and is seen here having just left the bus station on route...
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I think this one would frighten small children:I don't think the EL2000 looks as bad as people make out - it just didn't age well as liveries changed and were updated.
The Dart didn't wear the EL2000 particularly well, but larger vehicles did slightly better
TRAVEL DUNDEE 112 K412MSL
K412MSL was a Scania N113CRB / East Lancs EL2000 B45F purchased new by Tayside in June 1993. It is shown in Dundee in a later version of its livery, as it heads to Fintry. It would later become Yorkshire Traction (209), then Stagecoach Yorkshire (28650), before joining PC Coaches of Lincoln.
East Lancs EL2000 B10M
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Stagecoach Cumberland (on loan from Stagecoach Red & White Buses) Volvo B10M-East Lancs EL2000 step entrance bus on West Tower Street in Carlisle with a with a 61 Harraby East to Morton Park service.. This vehicle was new to Burnley & Pendle as fleet number 68 in May 1990.
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Only because it's in need of a good clean, some TLC and probably paint. Which is excusable seeing as it was for scrapping, but was dragged back into service as emergency cover when Carlisle depot was flooded out.I think this one would frighten small children:
East Lancs EL2000 B10M
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Stagecoach Cumberland (on loan from Stagecoach Red & White Buses) Volvo B10M-East Lancs EL2000 step entrance bus on West Tower Street in Carlisle with a with a 61 Harraby East to Morton Park service.. This vehicle was new to Burnley & Pendle as fleet number 68 in May 1990.
Compare to what Alexander were offering on the B10M at the time (the PS was only just coming to market - and in comparison is an outstanding bit of design!)
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PG
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Here you go, an AN68/1R Atlantean, I thought it looked a lot better than your average 'Decker v. Bridge' single deck conversion.
Photo: Alan Sansbury.
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I knew I remembered a better, IMHO, rebodied Atlantean. Northern Counties did a better go at it as can be seen below.
Photo: Walsall1955.
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Richard Scott
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Thanks, exactly what I was thinking of.
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