What does 'thrash' mean?

[Minilad]

Brush. And they do thrash.

Duffs. And no. They don't. Not even close

 

[richa2002]

I agree - and what was on the video is just normal, as those of us who grew up with them (and 45s/46s) can testify

(I still have an image of a full-throttle from standstill '45/46' departure from New Street 40 years ago etched into my brain - what a show it was.....47's were too delicate to take that sort of abuse)

....and if you want some alternative 'thrash', try these - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLIg-qMaCdE and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJjJPEGV22c - no turbos, no silencers, just full-throttle EMD 567-series two-stroke power and smoke

Good old 47s are capable of a full throttle departure:
http://youtu.be/sm07ZSfqJqc?t=5m41s

 

[theageofthetra]

How about this bad boy
: http://youtu.be/2xfrfOOD7m8
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One for the aviation crowd.B-25 engine: Testing the loudest engine of WWII: http://youtu.be/Zx9lV06Da-E

 

[315804]

How about this bad boy
: http://youtu.be/2xfrfOOD7m8
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One for the aviation crowd.B-25 engine: Testing the loudest engine of WWII: http://youtu.be/Zx9lV06Da-E

Thrash occurs alot on the roads too... especially on the buses in London
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-g8XUyQQCk

and these guys thrashing their BMW 525d in Belgium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-g8XUyQQCk :roll: though we use the word kickdown for cars and buses

 

[theageofthetra]

Some airship engined Brooklands racers.Napier Lion: http://youtu.be/SD7rcFLaRpc
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The subtle 42 ltr Packard Bentley Special " Mavis " Car…: http://youtu.be/oZ0u9iRTWyI

 

[Whistler40145]

How about 37114 on Load 12 solo out of Oban, lots of thrash, clag, high water temperature & fire bells ringing!

Or

37128 on a Blackpool North to Liverpool Lime Street at Preston, the driver decided to have some fun, whacked the power handle fully open, got part way down the platform and shutdown, that was good thrash.

Or

40145 attempting the climb up to Raven Rock Summit on the Kyle Line, had to slow at bottom of incline for a 10 mph TSR & attempt the climb on wet rails, mega thrash!

 

[Strat-tastic]

Another salvo from the WR...

Ahh Western Empress; she was my first

 

[Warbonnet]

The best class 50 window hang video on youtube (with no wind noise!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afdNyFcs76U

Plus, you think EMD's are dull???
Think again-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXpTRpn_fuQ&index=1&list=FLMKlE9XhHaMu9-1K0lOp2zA
Checkout the 4 th locomotive's cab window and the smoke coming out of the cab! The excessive smoke is because all the loco's have used up all the oxygen inside the tunnel. If you take air away from a diesel engine, you'll get excessive black smoke.
If you watch all of it, there's another 5 locomotives in the middle of the train.
The video has been cropped in the middle as it would have taken about 10 minutes to pass!
These are "Tunnel motor's", the nickname for EMD SD40T-2's and SD45T-2's and they are pretty dam awesome!
Incidently, the SD45's had a V20 unsilenced turbocharged 2 stroke in them.

 

[racyrich]

OK then, since it's youtube favourite time.

A 37 working properly hard, not some namby-pamby top and tail on 130 tons playing to the gallery thrash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7kBUi1d-rU

I can't really call it thrash, but I like the way 66s sound like they're gonna burst a bloodvessel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DWHkm0BN0

Deltics at night. Wonderful sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsWrfUwstwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2yLDKzub9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UM6yPQ0zmU


I love a 20 going for it. A more interesting engine sound, 3 layers of noise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsWcws0mp-E

 

[ac6000cw]

Plus, you think EMD's are dull???
Think again-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXpTRpn_fuQ&index=1&list=FLMKlE9XhHaMu9-1K0lOp2zA
Checkout the 4 th locomotive's cab window and the smoke coming out of the cab! The excessive smoke is because all the loco's have used up all the oxygen inside the tunnel. If you take air away from a diesel engine, you'll get excessive black smoke.
If you watch all of it, there's another 5 locomotives in the middle of the train.
The video has been cropped in the middle as it would have taken about 10 minutes to pass!
These are "Tunnel motor's", the nickname for EMD SD40T-2's and SD45T-2's and they are pretty dam awesome!
Incidently, the SD45's had a V20 unsilenced turbocharged 2 stroke in them.

P.S. the mid-train helper locos were manned back then, so the helper engineer is getting the full smoke treatment.....(the 'Tunnel Motors', compared to standard SD40/SD45s, had the air intakes moved down to frame level where the air is cooler and less polluted inside tunnels). All gone now....('oil cans' train, locos and manned helpers)

If you ever get a chance to see this video - http://pentrex.com/3751dvd.html - there is a lovely scene where the big 4-8-4 emerges from the same tunnel having blasted 30 years of diesel soot from the roof, which has turned the shiny Warbonnet paintwork of the two FP45s behind it a dirty grey colour . Later on in Barstow there is an interview with the steam engine crew, who are black with soot from head to toe but with huge ear-to-ear grins

 

[Warbonnet]

P.S. the mid-train helper locos were manned back then, so the helper engineer is getting the full smoke treatment.....(the 'Tunnel Motors', compared to standard SD40/SD45s, had the air intakes moved down to frame level where the air is cooler and less polluted inside tunnels). All gone now....('oil cans' train, locos and manned helpers)

If you ever get a chance to see this video - http://pentrex.com/3751dvd.html - there is a lovely scene where the big 4-8-4 emerges from the same tunnel having blasted 30 years of diesel soot from the roof, which has turned the shiny Warbonnet paintwork of the two FP45s behind it a dirty grey colour . Later on in Barstow there is an interview with the steam engine crew, who are black with soot from head to toe but with huge ear-to-ear grins

Agree with that fella, proper freight trains with proper locomotives driven by 'engineers' with chrome balls!!
It always amazes me to think that those mid-train helpers, or rear end helpers for that matter, were manned!! **** that for a game of soldiers, you'd need a respirator!!!

 

[ac6000cw]

It always amazes me to think that those mid-train helpers, or rear end helpers for that matter, were manned!! **** that for a game of soldiers, you'd need a respirator!!!

Manned helpers are now extinct 'out west' as far as I know, but CSX and NS still use them in the east - NS uses pairs of SD40-2/SD40Es west of Altoona over the mountain (and through the tunnels at Gallitzin). I have some of my own video with four of them in 'run 8' on the rear of a coal train

 

[nottsnurse]

.....Ha ha. I love the noise of a 777 for example but it is nothing compared to a 737-200 or a 727 and especially not compared to a TU 154.

Passenger a/c wise, 'thrash' begins and ends with four RR Conways slapped under a T-tail, also known as the Vickers VC10.

 

[fowler9]

Passenger a/c wise, 'thrash' begins and ends with four RR Conways slapped under a T-tail, also known as the Vickers VC10.

Ha ha, very good point, and an aircraft I somehow didn't consider.

 

[sprinterguy]

Duffs. And no. They don't. Not even close

I'm not a "Duff" fan at all, but I think the chap's got a bit of a point: While that video shows nothing especially spectacular, I do remember at least one classic run with a Crosscountry 47 blasting clag sky high round the curves between Chester-le-Street and Durham, being driven flat out. Plus, a RES 47 shaking the house (which was by the lineside) as the driver "stuck his foot in" on the Durham coast in the late nineties.

Mind you, there's nothing like a class 37 for sounding absolutely monstrous on approach. For their comparatively small engine size, they sound huge, and I think they sound better than their larger cousins; the 40s and Deltics.

Has anybody posted this video yet? It's of one of the heavyweight 37s during a particularly "happy" (read: run down) part of it's later life. It gets good from about 1:10 in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DjxHssWGV4

Now then, boys and girls, are we remembering the difference between "thrash" (mainly audio) and "clag" (visual) on this 'ere thread?

 

[ac6000cw]

I'm not a "Duff" fan at all, but I think the chap's got a bit of a point: While that video shows nothing especially spectacular, I do remember at least one classic run with a Crosscountry 47 blasting clag sky high round the curves between Chester-le-Street and Durham, being driven flat out. Plus, a RES 47 shaking the house (which was by the lineside) as the driver "stuck his foot in" on the Durham coast in the late nineties.

Mind you, there's nothing like a class 37 for sounding absolutely monstrous on approach. For their comparatively small engine size, they sound huge, and I think they sound better than their larger cousins; the 40s and Deltics.

I agree with you about the sound of the 37s - saw one depart Ely on a test train recently, still audible across the Fens a couple of miles out ....the 40s have a more aggressive 'bark', Deltics are OK when both engines are working hard, but a bit insipid running on one engine on preserved lines. The 45/46/47 sound is dominated by turbo noise when working hard, which I've never been that keen on. The small Sulzers, 24s-27s, are a different (noisy) beast altogether though - a pair of them on a summer excursion, magic! - and an 8 cylinder Sulzer 33 could give a 37 a run for it's money in the 'aggressive bark' stakes

But non-turbo EMD engines generate diesel music nothing else can match - Irish Rail 141/181s on branch line passenger trains anyone ? (and I can only turn green with envy at the thought of US railfans watching half a dozen EMD four-axle F/GP locos heading freight trains in the 60s.....)

If you like 'clag', search for videos of ALCo diesels - they are notorious for producing it.

 

[DiscoStu]

Best thrash experiences for me were :

Greek ALCo A-468 leaving Athens on the overnight to Thessaloniki back in 1996 ... load 16 and UNBELIEVABLY loud. I'd heard rumours of that engines thrash before then, but still couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Irish A-Class 019 leaving Cork for Mallow with the last train of the night - sparks flying and a very wound up driver. My first ever A-Class too.

Portuguese class 1930's out of Barreiro on the peak time local stoppers - amazing.

Had lots in England too, but can't really remember specifics. Any class 37 or 56 departing from a canopy station like Preston or Darlington is always fun though

 

[Strathclyder]

If you like 'clag', search for videos of ALCo diesels - they are notorious for producing it.

ALCos are legendary for throwing out copious amounts of black smoke:
[youtube]?v=qgEVIy6fEGQ[/youtube]

This is the Russian equivalent of an ALCo (and probably the smokiest type of loco I've ever seen):
[youtube]?v=NNe5W6u8yXc[/youtube]

 

[daikilo]

or maybe it's just a fevered imagination ..... wouldn't know how to thrash the skin off a rice pudding!

Thrash is both somewhat spectacular and a myth. It is using the machine to it's limits. That is what it was the machine was designed for. 40145 starts were an excellent example, and if you search youtube you will find many other locos accelerated using the same notch-up styles.

 

[Beveridges]

CHRIST I miss those 37's on heavy freights.

 

[Warbonnet]

Non turbo EMD.
This has to be the best sounding naturally aspirated V8 lump on the planet!
Get a load of this bad ass!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl8X2-sesnY&index=60&list=LLMKlE9XhHaMu9-1K0lOp2zA

 

[GRALISTAIR]

CHRIST I miss those 37's on heavy freights.

Yep - how many remember in the late 1970s Triple headed 37s being used in South Wales?

Also on quite a few Railtour reports I remember a writer saying "Class 58s are a nice ride but they have no "THRASH".

I agree with most comments that English Electrics had good thrash - 50, 40, 37 and the good old deltics.

But 37s were/are the best IMHO - loved the siphons out of Glasgow QS to Fort William and Oban or even out of Inverness to far north or Kyle.

 

[Whistler40145]

You mention triple headed 37s in South Wales, also North of the border for the triple headed 37s on the Ravenscraig trains or how about the 20s hauling the Coal trains out of the docks at Bootle & up the incline to Edge Hill?

I also remember the diverted metals services over the Central Wales line behind pairs of 37s.

 

[Strathclyder]

40145 leaving Glasgow Queen St on 24th August 2008, while on the Routes & Branches railtour:
[youtube]?v=wxM75k0dlug[/youtube]

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Amazing - 40145 was one of my low mileage machines - now D200/40123 - another story. Amazing THRASH.

Side note -slammers and heads out of the window -do not see that anymore.

 

[Warbonnet]

40145 leaving Glasgow Queen St on 24th August 2008, while on the Routes & Branches railtour:
[youtube]?v=wxM75k0dlug[/youtube]

Not bad. I done the same out of GQS with 40061 back in 1980 on an all line rover, I don't remember jack **** about it now though, so long ago!

 

[Beveridges]

Don't remember the triple headers but I remember single 37/7s on heavy freights and they really were great

 

[RJ]

Put it this way I can often get more thrash out of a 142 at 5mph than I have seen some drivers get out of a Class 60 WITH 2600 Tones of iron ore behind it (!) with an unimaginative driver who only decided to coast past his audience of 40 spotters at Barnetby/Wrawby Jn.

It's all about driving techniques and having a high powered machine on a heavy loud means nothing if you only coast past trainspotters, if it was me I'd be aiming to "please my audience" and give the best thrash possible.

If you want to see that, probably best not to stand at places where the anchors will be in to slow for a junction! Be slightly more strategic and you have a better of chance of hearing a bit of noise like so;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUt8MeX1p9I

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This series is all about locos opening up or running at full power at relatively low speeds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNRNE-w9H7c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXPY67Tr1qk

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