What Happened to all the Slam door trains?

[yorksrob]

Nevertheless, hundreds of people die every year because their motor vehicles fail to protect them in accidents. I think it gives a misleading impression for anyone to suggest that this form of transport is safer than the railway at any stage in its development, purely on the basis that their own particular road vehicle has never been involved in an accident.

 

[sprinterguy]

Can I suggest that you make the effort to read a copy of the Hidden report before commenting on the Clapham rail disaster? As one of the survivors on that fateful morning of the 12.12.88, take it from me that those mark 1 vehicles failed to protect their passengers and undoubtedly increased the death toll. Take a look at the pictures taken that day and maybe you will come round to my point of view. Either that or PM me for a personal account of how robust the mark 1 coaches were that morning.

I have read the Clapham Junction accident report and seen many photos of the crash. I have never claimed that the mark 1 carriages involved in that collision were as safe as if the same scenario had involved modern Desiro trains. The comparison that I was making was between rail travel and private car use, not between different rolling stock designs.

 

[LE Greys]

I have read the Clapham Junction accident report and seen many photos of the crash. I have never claimed that the mark 1 carriages involved in that collision were as safe as if the same scenario had involved modern Desiro trains. The comparison that I was making was between rail travel and private car use, not between different rolling stock designs.

Incidentally, if you look at Harrow & Wealdstone images, then MkIs were a clear step-up in safety over earlier LMS coaches - including the similar Stanier-designed ones. I don't know the exact details, but most of the casualties happened in the older coaches there, although whether this was because of design strength or their location in the various trains I cannot say.

 

[SWT158]

I remember one trip in a slammer
heading off to Bournemouth, on a 4 Rep with working Buffet car
sitting at a table and chair, full english breakfast oh boy tasted yummy
what ever happen to a good fry up on a slammer rattling at 100 mph well close to it on a good day
smoking in a carrige too and soft comfy chairs
dont get me wrong modern trains look good, well some
except the air con on a 444 unit when full stuffy or what
shame they all gone but time moves on
and it so pleasing to see some preserved
wonder what will be preserved on todays stock

i,m trying to get a full stock detail on the VEP,Cigs,Cep,Rep
dates scrapped etc etc very hard to find out
anyone undertaken this task care to share info

 

[sprinterguy]

i,m trying to get a full stock detail on the VEP,Cigs,Cep,Rep
dates scrapped etc etc very hard to find out
anyone undertaken this task care to share info

I believe that the most definitive source of this sort of information is likely to be a book by Ashley Kenneth Butlin, entitled "British Multiple Units Volume 2", which provides build dates, allocation and withdrawl info for the EPBs, HAPs, SAPs and CAPs:
http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=2303
This book was published in 2000 so while it does not reflect the most recent changes to have occured to vehicles in these classes (Principally scrapping), it would serve as a solid foundation.

Of even greater relevance to you is likely to be Volume 4 in the same series, which includes details of all the third rail EMU classes between classes 410 and 499 up until 2004 when the book was published:
http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=4453

Transport Diversions, the website linked to in those links, are a good bunch of folks to do business with.