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What makes the best Diesel Gala

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With all of these comments on how boring heritage railways have become, what makes a Diesel Gala interesting enough for you to attend as in: -

Locos
Operations
Secondary entertainment / themes such as 80's
Something new / special?
 
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Good locos, Something different and unusual, plenty of noise from the locos, and no bloody idiots being over the top out the window! :P
 

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A good mix of stock (not just locos) but types though not individual locos. Couldn't care if a particular class 66 has never hauled passengers before for example.
 

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A good mix of stock (not just locos) but types though not individual locos. Couldn't care if a particular class 66 has never hauled passengers before for example.

It might not matter to you, but it does to some - and can be the difference between a loss and profit for an organiser. An extra 100 people through the gate at £15/20 a head can make a big difference. What is important is appealing to as many sectors of the hobby as possible. Things which are important:

* The roster. For example...If you have 2 Class 50s there, don't run them on the 09.30 and 10.00 departures, following each other. The 50 fans can't cover both to maximise their mileage, and those who don't like 50s have 2 consecutive trains they don't want to travel on. Equally, don't run your beerex with a 47 at one end and an EE loco at the other. Very few people will want to travel on it, and they will all go home or to the pub instead!

* Use your shunters. It gets the red pen men there. But remember...if 08999 draws in hundreds of people in 2017, it won't do so in 2018.

* At a diesel gala, people want to travel with a pretty intensive timetable. Most don't want to watch the loco they've come to ride behind hauling a freight train. Leave them to the EMRPS.

I could go on....
 

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It might not matter to you, but it does to some - and can be the difference between a loss and profit for an organiser. An extra 100 people through the gate at £15/20 a head can make a big difference. What is important is appealing to as many sectors of the hobby as possible. Things which are important:

* The roster. For example...If you have 2 Class 50s there, don't run them on the 09.30 and 10.00 departures, following each other. The 50 fans can't cover both to maximise their mileage, and those who don't like 50s have 2 consecutive trains they don't want to travel on. Equally, don't run your beerex with a 47 at one end and an EE loco at the other. Very few people will want to travel on it, and they will all go home or to the pub instead!

* Use your shunters. It gets the red pen men there. But remember...if 08999 draws in hundreds of people in 2017, it won't do so in 2018.

* At a diesel gala, people want to travel with a pretty intensive timetable. Most don't want to watch the loco they've come to ride behind hauling a freight train. Leave them to the EMRPS.

I could go on....

I think that is actually a pretty good starting point. I would add:
- don't have too many locos. Too many, and people get hacked off because something they would like to do only gets one turn;
- no silly pairings. You want to hear a loco working. Feel, free, though to add extra locos dead in train to add weight.
 

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- no silly pairings. You want to hear a loco working. Feel, free, though to add extra locos dead in train to add weight.

And on that subject, if you do have a loco which is going to be dead in tow, make sure that it's clear in the roster, don't advertise it as being double headed, as some people will have gone on that train for hauled behind the loco which isn't working.
 

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The preserved railway its on has to have a decent length of track i.e. I don't want to ride behind say a "peak" for just a quarter of a mile! :)
 
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Don't insist on running steam-hauled services for the normals when it is supposed to be a diesel day!

If the line has an uphill and a downhill direction, make sure all of the locos get an uphill run to provide some thrash.

Don't put a wine & dine coach immediately behind the loco.
 

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A Class 55 painted up in original Deltic electric blue with cats whiskers etc.
One like that for 12 months on the preserved railways circuit would soon pay for any paintwork and minor alterations needed and hopefully have enough spare cash to reinstate it after the 12 months.
 

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Variety, but not so much that each loco only gets a couple of trips.

This might be a controversial one, but... don't try to be a beer festival at the same time. I understand the beer can be lucrative for preserved railways but the type of idiots it attracts are undesirable to other attendees. The venue for a p*ss up is a pub, not a diesel gala attended by a mix of families, enthusiasts and cranks. The window hanging muppetry discussed in another thread is usually beer fuelled.

An intensive timetable is a plus as well. These events can get busy and I appreciate the ability to bail out of a full train and try another without a lengthy wait on a platform.

Three day events are a good thing too. I will often attend the Friday of a gala simply because it is usually quieter, even if there is a reduced timetable.

Don't be cheeky with fares. I know these events cost a lot to put on but if that means a £28 day rover you should consider scaling things back.
 

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This might be a controversial one, but... don't try to be a beer festival at the same time. I understand the beer can be lucrative for preserved railways but the type of idiots it attracts are undesirable to other attendees.
And my first two suggestions as soon as I saw the title of this thread were always going to be, and remain, "a decent real ale bar on the train and a decent pub on or near at least one of the major stations." :lol:

In addition to that, I would also express a preference for a frequent service and a decent length of end to end journey, as mentioned by others above.

I'd also add a varied lineup of heritage locomotive types; it's only personal preference, but I feel quite strongly that modern loco classes attending galas rather detract from the preserved railway experience, even if locos in seventies and eighties guises hauling blood and custard liveried mark 1s through stations restored to 1950s condition can hardly be considered authentic in itself!

And while I appreciate that there are valid reasons to charge a premium during gala events, particularly if there are large numbers of visiting 'guest' locomotives to pay for, I do appreciate it when the fares aren't extortionate. The Great Central diesel gala next month, for example, looks like very good value for money.
 
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A first for a line makes me attend, like I'm going iow steam railway as they have 33202 for diesel gala
 

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And my first two suggestions as soon as I saw the title of this thread were always going to be, and remain, "a decent real ale bar on the train and a decent pub on or near at least one of the major stations." :lol:

my first response was going to be: Ale - You need a good and varied choice of ale served in several locations

after that get some diesels and stuff. Maybe red ones. Or blue. Blue is always good. Maybe a gray one. ;)
 

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my first response was going to be: Ale - You need a good and varied choice of ale served in several locations

after that get some diesels and stuff. Maybe red ones. Or blue. Blue is always good. Maybe a gray one. ;)
Sounds like a recipe for success to me. :D
 

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People also need to chill out and take it easy. So what if 45678 expired before you got to ride on it. There are other things. Have a nice day out, have a beer, have a chat and enjoy the day. Some people take these things so seriously.
 

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SVR almost has the right recipe. I just think they're going a smidge too far. Already a lot of visitors announced but a pair of 47s/pair of 45s/pair of 33s/visiting 50s when there's already 4 operational there etc...

Keep the huge variety but stop doubling up! Fgs if the owning group hadn't have had a disagreement with the management, there would have been 4 20s...
 

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I like the 'Driver for a Fiver' courses that some (eg. EOR) do.
 

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I suppose for me it's the nostalgia aspect, so Class 66+ and anything painted orange has the least interest. Give me a Mark 1, ideally with original interior and Trojan or blue/green check seat covering and an appropriate loco up front, just like the old days! The air-con (not working) stock at the SVR gala this year hauled by a 47/4 (or whatever those mutated into) or a 50 was a real blast from the past, although I'm not sure if I would appreciate this on a regular basis...

Otherwise I agree with others. A timetable utilising maximum line capacity is a must - the ultimate turkey must surely have been the Bluebell timetable on Saturday 1 April last, where there were no scheduled arrivals at East Grinstead between 1545 and 1810! The latest service I could get back to London was 1807, so I wasn't too happy about that! It would be nice to think that the person responsible is no longer compiling timetables.

Oh yes, and a good supply of real ale - the SVR and the ELR are the clear winners here.
 

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1. Personally, I prefer events which give the opportunity for some new "haulage" especially by locos normally found only on freight, in addition to some heritage locos.

2. The loco diagrams to be available "on line" before the event.

3. The timetable planners to give more consideration to potential passengers travelling longish distance by rail - so no turns where "rare" or "visiting" locos only work in early morning or late afternoon.

4. No freight trains on gala days; they mainly benefit "non-travellers" (and some "non-paying" photographers) and all too often cause the timetable to fall apart.
 

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No steam trains on a diesel gala as some preserved lines insist on doing, despite the fact the diesel gala is only an annual event.

Don't try to run at capacity / too many services as problems will undoubtedly arise and the timetable will "go to pot".

Not good when you plan your day in advance and it goes awry on the day because of late running.

Keep the freight trains for a separate event and decide if it will be a heritage diesel event or modern diesel event.

A bit of both doesn't work in my opinion.
 
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A good diesel gala place is at the Spa Valley as the summer diesel gala that was on at the weekend had some decent traction such as Type 2 and a Type 5 plus a thumper and 3-CIG set paired up as dead coaching stock.
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So we've got:

1) Lots of beer, but not too much beer...

2) An intense timetable with lots of workings, but plenty of slack so you don't get delays...

3) Lots of visiting locomotives and extra workings, but at no additional cost to normal...

4) Locomotives mixing up with a few turns each so you get good variation, but everything gets lots of turns so you can get good mileage...

5) No modern locos, but something that has never run in passenger service before...


No wonder gala operators always seem to be the villains for not giving people what they want!
 

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People also need to chill out and take it easy. So what if 45678 expired before you got to ride on it. There are other things. Have a nice day out, have a beer, have a chat and enjoy the day. Some people take these things so seriously.

DarloRich; I couldn't agree more.
 

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I like a diesel gala where the drivers know how to play to the crowd (within the legal limits of course). Some railways are much better at this than others. I especially like a small loco on a six coach train with perhaps another dead loco on the back to weight it up. :)
I'm not particularly bothered about modern stuff but I can understand the attraction for others.
Variety is great, idiots are not.
 
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