When Will It All Go Wrong For The Tories/ Johnson?

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Guardian reports that Nadhim Zahawi threatened to resign unless he got the job of Chancellor (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...uit-throwing-boris-johnsons-future-into-doubt)

Would you really expect the Guardian not to follow its Labour Party mantra when the opportunity arises?

 

[DarloRich]

Another gutless, no mark Tory has resigned. Some bloke called Will Quince (?). Apparently he couldn't stomach being sent out to lie for Johnson on the TV the other morning. Why now? You have been happy to lie for him up to this point!

 

[nlogax]

Would you really expect the Guardian not to follow its Labour Party mantra when the opportunity arises?

This makes no sense. The Truss / Zahawi 'stand-off' was widely being reported on tv news pretty much while it was happening last night. The Graun is a leftie car-crash at times, no argument there but what exactly in that link you've shared is 'Labour party mantra'? I just see news.

Last night (and this morning) are another useful reminder to anyone naive enough to think Boris Johnson is going to resign. If the 1922 Committee elections timing is right there is a high degree of probability that we could see a VONC rule change forcing Johnson out of office before the summer recess. That is pretty much the only way he's leaving Downing St.

 

[DarloRich]

This makes no sense. The Truss / Zahawi 'stand-off' was widely being reported on tv news pretty much while it was happening last night. The Graun is a leftie car-crash at times, no argument there but what exactly in that link you've shared is 'Tory party mantra'? I just see news.

I think the first mention I saw of this was via a well known tory blogger not known for thier love of the Grauniad!

 

[kristiang85]

Another gutless, no mark Tory has resigned. Some bloke called Will Quince (?). Apparently he couldn't stomach being sent out to lie for Johnson on the TV the other morning. Why now? You have been happy to lie for him up to this point!

I think the point was he was assured it was the truth, then turned out to be anything but.

Boris is going to run out of MPs to put in the cabinet, at this rate.

 

[Gloster]

It is only about a fortnight until Parliament rises (21 July), after which everybody disappears from Westminster and any coordinated planning by opponents/plotting by traitors (call it what you will) becomes more difficult. It returns at the beginning of September, but then you have less than three weeks before it rises again for the conference break. I can see Johnson, if he gets through the next few days, working on a desperate gamble of announcing some policies at the conference that will be popular with the rank and file, and make some MPs worry about upsetting their local party committees. He is good, or at least he was good, at rousing the faithful in speeches. Whether the policies are good for the country is irrelevant to him.

 

[nlogax]

I think the first mention I saw of this was via a well known tory blogger not known for thier love of the Grauniad!

Well, quite!

On a related note, if you want a chuckle take a look at the Daily Express front page this morning. Not something I'd ever normally recommend but the way it's now cast adrift from the rest of the press in its own utterly pro-Boris parallel universe.. bloody hilarious.

 

[Snow1964]

Not surprisingly, the official Government website on who has what role is struggling to keep up, still showing some who have resigned. Although a number of roles are now updated.

Ministers - GOV.UK - GOV.UK

www.gov.uk

On a separate note, the Pound has slipped to a two year low against the dollar, so that pushes the price up of imports in dollars (oil, grain etc)

 

[jfollows]

Conservative MPs have decided that they want to get rid of Boris Johnson.
He's not going to go voluntarily, that much is clear.
But just about everyone is now laughing at everything he and Number Ten say, knowing that it's just spouting hopeful stories which are in fact hopeless.
As others have already said, it's going to prove much harder to govern, 80-seat majority or not. Major policies will get derailed by wrecking amendments, so a lot of the current legislation is going to grind to a halt.
We're back to the fantasy land of David Cameron - "I'll stick with whatever decision the British public makes in the referendum" which was always a lie and we all knew it was a lie, we all knew that if he lost (as he did) he'd run for the hills and he did.
Much the same from Boris and his supporters yesterday and today - how he's freed up to do things now with a united team etc. It's all nonsense and I think most of us believe and know it.
Reality will get rid of him, but it'll take time, hopefully less rather than more, because it's the country which is suffering on the altar of Boris Johnson's vanity.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Conservative MPs have decided that they want to get rid of Boris Johnson.

Then why didn't they all vote "no confidence" in the vote they, umm, just had? No spines?

 

[jfollows]

Then why didn't they all vote "no confidence" in the vote they, umm, just had? No spines?

Yes, no spines.
I think it's changed from "we'll give him another chance, he said he's sorry and he promises to change" to "he'll never change, so what's the point of stringing this out?"
Or something like that.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

We're back to the fantasy land of David Cameron - "I'll stick with whatever decision the British public makes in the referendum" which was always a lie and we all knew it was a lie, we all knew that if he lost (as he did) he'd run for the hills and he did.

I don't quite follow the logic above. Cameron did stick with the decision made by the British public in the referendum. He made no attempt whatsoever to do what Trump did in an attempt to try to change the decision.

Back on the Johnson scenario, does anyone get the feeling the more the media keep up their "Johnson must go" line, the more determined that Johnson will attempt to stay in the post of Prime Minister?

 

[jfollows]

I don't quite follow the logic above. Cameron did stick with the decision made by the British public in the referendum. He made no attempt whatsoever to do what Trump did in an attempt to try to change the decision.

No, and I wasn't clear enough perhaps.
Cameron said he would remain as prime minister whatever the outcome of the referendum and implement the changes necessary because of its result.
For example, from a report on 20 June 2016 3 days before the referendum (https://www.business-standard.com/a...-brexit-referendum-result-116061800479_1.html)
In fact, he resigned on June 24, as I expected him to.

British Prime Minister David Cameron said he will continue to lead the government regardless of the result of the European Union referendum on June 23.

Cameron in an interview published on Saturday said he feels responsible for the referendum, in which voters will decide if Britain will remain in or leave the EU, and which he himself promised to hold if elected in the 2015 general elections,Efe news reported.

The Tory leader believes he will be the most appropriate person to lead negotiations if Brexit (Britain's exit from the EU) wins the vote, thanks to his "solid relationships" in Europe.

"It's very important that the individual careers of individual politicians don't get caught up in this question."

In Cameron's opinion, the result of the referendum "won't be a verdict" on him as a politician, but "a verdict on the question" of whether Britain should remain in the EU.

"I just get on with the job. I have a very clear mandate from the British people to serve as Prime Minister in a Conservative government, delivering a referendum," he said.

 

[Gloster]

Back on the Johnson scenario, does anyone get the feeling the more the media keep up their "Johnson must go" line, the more determined that Johnson will attempt to stay in the post of Prime Minister?

I doesn’t matter what anyone says, Johnson intends to stay on whatever: he is almost entirely impervious to /unaware of /uninterested in outside opinions. As far as the media are concerned, I think they are amongst those who he pays the least attention to. (Although he no doubt likes their flattery.)

 

[najaB]

It is only about a fortnight until Parliament rises (21 July), after which everybody disappears from Westminster and any coordinated planning by opponents/plotting by traitors (call it what you will) becomes more difficult.

By the same token, if they don't have any actual 'work' getting in the way, they're free to plan/plot full-time.

 

[zuriblue]

Although unlike Palmerston the Foreign Office? cat, Larry, like Boris, is not actually any good at is job and has a habit of starting fights for no reason.

A perfect fit for Johnson's cabinet then.

 

[nlogax]

Back on the Johnson scenario, does anyone get the feeling the more the media keep up their "Johnson must go" line, the more determined that Johnson will attempt to stay in the post of Prime Minister?

One could argue he's already 100% determined to stay but sure, it give him more determination to stick two fingers up to other politicians and the media. The following fits.

https://twitter.com/theirishfor/status/858968052737724417

'Ainle' means a stubborn, bloody-minded child (or an adult that acts like one). It's also an old-fashioned word for a squirrel.

 

[nw1]

I don't quite follow the logic above. Cameron did stick with the decision made by the British public in the referendum. He made no attempt whatsoever to do what Trump did in an attempt to try to change the decision.

The point was that Cameron promised to stay on as PM, which he didn't.

Of course the actual decision made by the British public was "we don't know", unless you believe simple-majority referenda are a valid tool for exacting radical change, which many don't (whatever the issue - likewise, a simple majority would not be a mandate for more liberal, left-wing policies such as say cannabis legalisation either). Simple-majority referenda are just that, naively simplistic. The decision to have one demonstrates Cameron's weakness and gutlessness, and inability to stand up to right-wing bullies such as Farage and the ERG. But as it was Cameron's decision to run such a badly-designed referendum in the first place, resigning over that decision was entirely appropriate

As for Trump, well it was the Brexiters, not the Remainers, who deserve that analogy. Both are cut from the same right-wing nationalist cloth.

 

[Lost property]

Good old Daily Express (via BBC).

Ah, but, you know the end is nigh when that bastion of hypocrisy, the Mail ! refers to him as "the greased piglet " on the rags front page..

Newspaper headlines: 'Johnson on the brink'

The resignation of Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid from Boris Johnson's government dominates headlines.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

As for Trump, well it was the Brexiters, not the Remainers, who deserve that analogy. Both are cut from the same right-wing nationalist cloth.

First time that I have heard the RMT, a leading "Leave" voice in the run up to that referendum, being described as "right-wing nationalist".

Mick Lynch will be thinking he has just had the worst nightmare he has ever had....

 

[kristiang85]

One senior figure on the '22 tells me that they now favour a delegation going to tell Boris Johnson that it is over, and that they'll change the rules if he won't resign

James Forsythe on twitter. They wouldn't do that if they weren't confident.

PMQs could be his final stand.

 

[SuspectUsual]

It is only about a fortnight until Parliament rises (21 July), after which everybody disappears from Westminster and any coordinated planning by opponents/plotting by traitors (call it what you will) becomes more difficult

I think in the age of whatsapp, email, teams, zoom etc being physically distant from Westminster won’t make a blind bit of difference to Tory MPs’ ability to “plot”

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

James Forsythe on twitter. They wouldn't do that if they weren't confident.

PMQs could be his final stand.

Johnson and Custer both had "flamboyant blond" hair styles.

Who is todays "Sitting Bull" going to be to administer the coup de grace?

 

[skyhigh]

Nadine Dorries sent a (now deleted tweet) apparently congratulating Zahawi on becoming Health minister...



(Image shows a tweet from Nadine Dorries saying "He arrived in the U.K. a refugee who couldn't speak English who knows nothing but how to achieve against the odds. He will deliver for health in the same way he delivered for vaccines and education. A top cabinet minister. Congratulations my friend.")

 

[jfollows]

The best and simplest way to end this quickly, as observed in The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...id-javid-resignations-uk-politics-live-latest) is for the 1922 Committee to tell Boris Johnson that he's lost the support of the majority of the party and that if he doesn't resign they'll hold an immediate ballot on his future. Essentially what happened to Theresa May. She had the good grace to accept the inevitable at that point.

The debate about how Tory MPs might force out Boris Johnson focuses on the notion that elections to the 1922 Committee executive next week could lead to the election of an executive with an anti-Johnson majority that will change the rules and allow another no confidence vote, perhaps before the summer recess or in the autumn.

But, under another scenario, Sir Graham Brady, the chair of the 1922 Committee goes to Johnson and tells him that he has already lost the support of a majority of MPs and that he would be best off quitting without a second vote. This is broadly what happened with Theresa May, who announced her resignation after being told that, if she didn’t, the 1922 Committee would schedule a second no confidence vote.

 

[nlogax]

The best and simplest way to end this quickly, as observed in The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politic...id-javid-resignations-uk-politics-live-latest) is for the 1922 Committee to tell Boris Johnson that he's lost the support of the majority of the party and that if he doesn't resign they'll hold an immediate ballot on his future. Essentially what happened to Theresa May. She had the good grace to accept the inevitable at that point.

Guess is he'd say 'whatever, change your rules, I'm not quitting'...and that's how he'll be turfed out.

 

[jfollows]

Guess is he'd say 'whatever, change your rules, I'm not quitting'...and that's how he'll be turfed out.

I think you're right too.

 

[nlogax]

I think you're right too.

It's getting spicy.. good tweet from Kitty Donaldson at Bloomberg.

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1544627453347373056

EXC: The 1922 Committee will meet at 5 pm and if it's quorate in favour of changing the leadership rules it will do so and there could be a ballot on Johnson's leadership next week.

 

[WatcherZero]

Government Resignations over last 24 hours upto 11:30am:

Cabinet ministers

• Rishi Sunak - chancellor
• Sajid Javid - health secretary

Ministers

• Will Quince - minister for children and families
• Alex Chalk - solicitor general
• Robin Walker - School Standards
• John Glen - Economic Secretary to the Treasury
• Victoria Atkins - Prisons and Probation

Ministerial aides

• Laura Trott - parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the Transport secretary
• Jonathan Gullis - PPS to the Northern Ireland secretary
• Saqib Bhatti - PPS to the Health secretary
• Nicola Richards - PPS to the Department for Transport
• Virginia Crosbie - PPS at the Welsh office
• Felicity Buchan - PPS Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy

Others

• Bim Afolami - vice-chair of the Conservative Party
• Theo Clarke - trade envoy to Kenya
• Andrew Murrison - trade envoy to Morocco
• Robert Halfron - Chair education select committee (Letter of no-confidence)
• Lee Anderson MP - Letter of no confidence
• Tom Hunt MP - Letter of no confidence

Edit:
11:32 another Minister resigned and added

 

[Busaholic]

Government Resignations over last 24 hours upto 11:30am:

Cabinet ministers

• Rishi Sunak - chancellor
• Sajid Javid - health secretary

Ministers

• Will Quince - minister for children and families
• Alex Chalk - solicitor general
• Robin Walker - School Standards
• John Glen - Economic Secretary to the Treasury

Ministerial aides

• Laura Trott - parliamentary private secretary (PPS) to the Transport secretary
• Jonathan Gullis - PPS to the Northern Ireland secretary
• Saqib Bhatti - PPS to the Health secretary
• Nicola Richards - PPS to the Department for Transport
• Virginia Crosbie - PPS at the Welsh office
• Felicity Buchan - PPS Department of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy

Others

• Bim Afolami - vice-chair of the Conservative Party
• Theo Clarke - trade envoy to Kenya
• Andrew Murrison - trade envoy to Morocco
• Robert Halfron - Chair education select committee (Letter of no-confidence)
• Lee Anderson MP - Letter of no confidence
• Tom Hunt MP - Letter of no confidence

Anyone thinking there might be some moves from the Tory benches around midday?