WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[Neptune]

195/331’s are ASDO but the guard can override it using SDO.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

I'm just wondering if anybody knows if wmt are going to use ASDO or SDO for door operations on their 196s???

I'm not sure what method of door working Northern use on their 195s.

It will be SDO as they have an agreement with RMT to work train as per the current way of working. This was confirmed a few months ago.

 

[Neptune]

It will be SDO as they have an agreement with RMT to work train as per the current way of working. This was confirmed a few months ago.

Northern conductors still work the same way with the ASDO. It just means that the doors lock out automatically on short platforms. It makes no difference.

 

[Nova1]

Are there that many stations where WMR actually use SDO? Only ones I can think of is The Lakes and some other stations when 6 car trains show up

 

[wobman]

Northern conductors still work the same way with the ASDO. It just means that the doors lock out automatically on short platforms. It makes no difference.

How accurate is ASDO on short formed platforms though using just GPS ? GPS is only accurate to 3m I thought.

Also I've heard asdo gets confused at stations with more than 2 platforms ! So the guards will need to use SDO on most busy stations.

 

[craigybagel]

Are there that many stations where WMR actually use SDO? Only ones I can think of is The Lakes and some other stations when 6 car trains show up

Oakengates and Bilbrook on Shrewsbury - Birmingham services, although those platforms are getting extended.

 

[LowLevel]

Oakengates and Bilbrook on Shrewsbury - Birmingham services, although those platforms are getting extended.

Been done I think if I remember rightly from the WON.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Are there that many stations where WMR actually use SDO? Only ones I can think of is The Lakes and some other stations when 6 car trains show up

On the routes these are initially being rolled out onto I can't think of any, but the Stratford lines (both ways) have them depending on unit length of course.
Should it be a 6 car then you have Spring Rd, Wythall, The Lakes, Wood End, Claverdon and Bearley.

Northern conductors still work the same way with the ASDO. It just means that the doors lock out automatically on short platforms. It makes no difference.

As I said, what has been agreed is that trains are worked as they are currently which is SDO, changing to auto SDO is changing the way it works and it does not require the conductor to operate which is what the conductors fought and strikes to keep.

 

[Neptune]

As I said, what has been agreed is that trains are worked as they are currently which is SDO, changing to auto SDO is changing the way it works and it does not require the conductor to operate which is what the conductors fought and strikes to keep.

So did we, ASDO hasn’t changed the way we work. ASDO doesn’t alter how guards work. I know it because I’ve done it

 

[SCDR_WMR]

So did we, ASDO hasn’t changed the way we work. ASDO doesn’t alter how guards work. I know it because I’ve done it

Surely making it automatic changes how you operate it. Depends on the traction I guess - going from 172 would be essentially the same, but going from a 170 it would be a different process as you would no longer be activating SDO.
As you can tell, I've not worked ASDO so unsure of how the process works

 

[Neptune]

Surely making it automatic changes how you operate it. Depends on the traction I guess - going from 172 would be essentially the same, but going from a 170 it would be a different process as you would no longer be activating SDO.
As you can tell, I've not worked ASDO so unsure of how the process works

No different. It’s just programmed to lock doors out automatically where necessary. No change to working practices at all.

How accurate is ASDO on short formed platforms though using just GPS ? GPS is only accurate to 3m I thought.

Also I've heard asdo gets confused at stations with more than 2 platforms ! So the guards will need to use SDO on most busy stations.

It’s programmed to lock out certain doors such as the rearmost at South Elmsall rather than judging what’s on or not as per other systems

 

[Sprinter107]

Yes, five and six cars on the Snow Hill lines. Hartlebury, Lye, Old Hill, are just some.

Are there that many stations where WMR actually use SDO? Only ones I can think of is The Lakes and some other stations when 6 car trains show up

 

[Nova1]

Also - I've mostly been seeing the 196s running up and down between Tysley and Stratford-Upon-Avon, I understand they aren't really for the Snow Hill Lines, is this just a convenient place to test them?

 

[jonnyfan]

How accurate is ASDO on short formed platforms though using just GPS ? GPS is only accurate to 3m I thought.

Also I've heard asdo gets confused at stations with more than 2 platforms ! So the guards will need to use SDO on most busy stations.

If WMR use the same system as Northern...

The system relies on the driver stopping in the correct point on the platform, if they stop short then the ASDO system would not recognise this and potentially non-platformed doors could be opened. The conductor has to be vigilant of this and it is part of route knowledge to know what number of doors will be released at stations.

At simple stations it's all automatic, but where there are multiple platforms then the conductor has to use SDO to open the doors on the correct side, as the ASDO system won't know which platform the train has stopped at.

 

[Halish Railway]

Also - I've mostly been seeing the 196s running up and down between Tysley and Stratford-Upon-Avon, I understand they aren't really for the Snow Hill Lines, is this just a convenient place to test them?

Yes - Near to the depot and it’s only completing with 2tph at a time on the route to Stratford-upon-Avon.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Four WMR Class 196s are to be moved from Tyseley to Long Marston for further storage becasue Tyseley is really struggling for space at the moment. Another reason why 196s are going to Long Marston is so they can have guard pannels fitted. Speculation regarding this: also heard long Marston isn't happening. The guards panel installation is being done at Tyseley but I'm told requires a lot of panel to be removed as it's a fairly involved modification.’

Potentially on Friday this will happen:
196108 to Long Marston
On Friday
196101 WOS to TYS
196107 back to WOS

 

[ABB125]

Four WMR Class 196s are to be moved from Tyseley to Long Marston for further storage becasue Tyseley is really struggling for space at the moment. Another reason why 196s are going to Long Marston is so they can have guard pannels fitted. Speculation regarding this: also heard long Marston isn't happening. The guards panel installation is being done at Tyseley but I'm told requires a lot of panel to be removed as it's a fairly involved modification.’

Potentially on Friday this will happen:
196108 to Long Marston
On Friday
196101 WOS to TYS
196107 back to WOS

This path exists tomorrow: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K20433/2022-02-10/detailed

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Four WMR Class 196s are to be moved from Tyseley to Long Marston for further storage becasue Tyseley is really struggling for space at the moment. Another reason why 196s are going to Long Marston is so they can have guard pannels fitted. Speculation regarding this: also heard long Marston isn't happening. The guards panel installation is being done at Tyseley but I'm told requires a lot of panel to be removed as it's a fairly involved modification.’

Potentially on Friday this will happen:
196108 to Long Marston
On Friday
196101 WOS to TYS
196107 back to WOS

Well the panels have to go in before staff can be trained on them and they are meant to be going into service prior to May so they do need to get on with it really.

 

[childwallblues]

Can anybody inform me what was the 196 on Worcester Depot yesterday afternoon please?

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Have all of the 196s been built now? Or if not could someone provide a list of the ones that are built? Thanks

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Well the panels have to go in before staff can be trained on them and they are meant to be going into service prior to May so they do need to get on with it really.

Yeah you can see that happening unless its May 23

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Can anybody inform me what was the 196 on Worcester Depot yesterday afternoon please?

Should be 196101

Have all of the 196s been built now? Or if not could someone provide a list of the ones that are built? Thanks

Pretty much all have been built now. Just waiting for them to enter service to be honest.

196108 en route to Long Marston with 50008 hauling it.

 

[railphotoghw]

Are there that many stations where WMR actually use SDO? Only ones I can think of is The Lakes and some other stations when 6 car trains show up

Colwall and Ledbury will be others that use SDO too if they do use more than 4 carriages on Herefords. When 5 car 170s were on Herefords it was only 4 carriages platformed.

 

[train_lover]

Colwall and Ledbury are both 4 car. Guard has to be in the middle at Foregate Street and University due to the curve. Hartlebury is officially 3 car but you can fit 4 if the driver takes his cab off the platform. Blakedown and Hagley are both 5 car.

 

[newtownmgr]

Colwall and Ledbury are both 4 car. Guard has to be in the middle at Foregate Street and University due to the curve. Hartlebury is officially 3 car but you can fit 4 if the driver takes his cab off the platform. Blakedown and Hagley are both 5 car.

Guard not required to be in the middle for either. Some Just do it for ease.

Guards on the cross city with a 6 car are the only ones required to work from the middle & do throughout.

 

[12guard4]

Guard not required to be in the middle for either. Some Just do it for ease.

Guards on the cross city with a 6 car are the only ones required to work from the middle & do throughout.

Not a requirement

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Not a requirement

Well it certainly was, guard should work the train from the front cab of the rear set. That was in the rules when I took them not that many years ago!

 

[brick60000]

Well it certainly was, guard should work the train from the front cab of the rear set. That was in the rules when I took them not that many years ago!

You can theoretically work from elsewhere on the train, I think - though in practice there’s limited reasons for doing so, especially on a 6 car.

Definitely want to be in the middle at places like New Street, University, Barnt Green, etc.

You can also only use the green lines if positioned in the centre cab, enabling door release before stepping down onto the platform (more for interest of others - I’m guessing your username is very much a giveaway for you already knowing that haha )

But middle door panels useful for if there’s an assistance requirement or such like.

 

[Sprinter107]

Colwall and Ledbury are both 4 car. Guard has to be in the middle at Foregate Street and University due to the curve. Hartlebury is officially 3 car but you can fit 4 if the driver takes his cab off the platform. Blakedown and Hagley are both 5 car.

Colwall and Ledbury may be very tight with a 196 as the cars are longer than 172 cars. Think Ledbury will be tighter than Colwall.

 

[train_lover]

Guard not required to be in the middle for either. Some Just do it for ease.

Guards on the cross city with a 6 car are the only ones required to work from the middle & do throughout.

When I was trained on the route I was always told to be in the middle as it's the only way you can safely see the entire length of the train

You can theoretically work from elsewhere on the train, I think - though in practice there’s limited reasons for doing so, especially on a 6 car.

Definitely want to be in the middle at places like New Street, University, Barnt Green, etc.

You can also only use the green lines if positioned in the centre cab, enabling door release before stepping down onto the platform (more for interest of others - I’m guessing your username is very much a giveaway for you already knowing that haha )

But middle door panels useful for if there’s an assistance requirement or such like.

The green line is for the cross city services only. Other services shouldn't be using them. It used to be in the sectional appendix for the guard to be in the rear cab of the rear set through Ledbury tunnel. As I've mentioned I was always told to be in the middle for Foregate and University as it's the only way you can see the full length of the train. Anyone dispatching a 5 car at University from the rear cab won't be able to see the front carriage therefore are not doing their dispatch procedure correctly.

Although there's not a sheet of paper that states the above, the rules state the guard must position themselves in a position where they can see the full length of the train. The only way you can do this at university is by being somewhere near to the middle. Therefore if you are doing it as per the rule book then yes you should be somewhere near to the middle.

Well it certainly was, guard should work the train from the front cab of the rear set. That was in the rules when I took them not that many years ago!

Absolutely, I was always told the same.