That livery is funky. I also like the headshape.
They actually look pretty excellent, my only complaint is that tables should have power sockets at the end of the table.
I hope they’re better built than the Northern ones...
Clearly these units will be more useful than the 195 because they have corridor connections, but the other daft aspect of the 195 seems to me to be the mechanical gearboxes, rather than an electric drive - this would surely make an upgrade to OHLE/Hydrogen/battery power much more straightforward. Wikipedia doesn't tell me what the engine/drive spec is. Does anyone know?
*Off-topic but they technically are...*It’s like wondering if the 379s were to be technically different than the 377s...
Well no. The motors are the same, the traction converters are the same, the transformers are the same, the bogies are the same, the traction control system is the same, etc., you got my point.*Off-topic but they technically are...*
The Civity UK is available as an EMU and a DMMU (195, 196, 197). A DEMU variant would be possible and can be easily done, but doesn’t exist (yet), and this is the case for a DHMU variant too. The UK isn’t known to be a fan of DEMUs, for some reason, especially compared to other countries.I asked because the 331 is on the same platform, isn't it? So an electric drive is available on the platform.
Ah, the big question. No one knows what will become of DMUs (in every variant, including BMUs and TMUs) in 20 years but there’ll be a significant difference between the theory and the practice. But converting all DMUs to EMUs would be very lengthy and expensive.Thanks. It's just that rail vehicles are meant to have a life of 40 years, I believe. So what are they planning to do with these trains when we eliminate diesel haulage in less than 20?
BTW, Voyagers are demus. And aren't 180's?
No, they have hydraulic transmission.Thanks. It's just that rail vehicles are meant to have a life of 40 years, I believe. So what are they planning to do with these trains when we eliminate diesel haulage in less than 20?
BTW, Voyagers are demus. And aren't 180's?
Are you saying that because of that diesel train deadline ?Thanks for the correction.
But it remains daft to be building diesel mechanical trains.
Even more off-topic, but the Mitrac systems are very different as Electrostar Mark 2s (379s, 377/6/7s and 387s) have got a lot of features from Aventras (almost enough to make them almost Aventra Mark 0s).Well no. The motors are the same, the traction converters are the same, the transformers are the same, the bogies are the same, the traction control system is the same, etc., you got my point.
The software may be different, but not the hardware. It’s the same old ABB equipment on a 357 as on a 387.Even more off-topic, but the Mitrac systems are very different as Electrostar Mark 2s (379s, 377/6/7s and 387s) have got a lot of features from Aventras (almost enough to make them almost Aventra Mark 0s).
(Delving into new levels of off-topic) If you connected the two together though, they wouldn't talk to each other because of the technical bits in the Mitrac system.The software may be different, but not the hardware. It’s the same old ABB equipment on a 357 as on a 387.
(Super Off-topic 1000) Absolutely.(Delving into new levels of off-topic) If you connected the two together though, they wouldn't talk to each other because of the technical bits in the Mitrac system.
Ah, the big question. No one knows what will become of DMUs (in every variant, including BMUs and TMUs) in 20 years but there’ll be a significant difference between the theory and the practice. But converting all DMUs to EMUs would be very lengthy and expensive.
Yes, Voyagers are DEMUs, but 180s are DHMUs.
What I meant is that there’s not a lot of DEMUs in the UK, compared to DHMUs, and, on a narrower scale, DMMUs.