Well WMT NRC has dates for all lease expiry dates and the 170s is 'April 2022', though with both being under Abellio stewardship they may be some wiggle room.
As far as I'm aware the WMR 170s have all been leased on paper to EMR for some time now so are being subleased back, which I assume will continue given it isn't feasible to simply stop running trains between Birmingham, Hereford and Shrewsbury.
Dept of T are ultimate arbiters here so nothing will change that cause a detriment to another operators ability to operate a service especially with Commonwealth games.
Sir! I cannot believe a man of your calibre still requires the North Bay at Wolves
I know this is slightly off topic, anything listed for the 323s?
Has been cancelled.Realtime Trains | 537K 0813 Tyseley L.M.D. to Donnington Rft | 04/04/2022
Real-time train running information for 537K 0813 departure from Tyseley L.M.D. to Donnington Rft on 04/04/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Guessing a 196 is going to Donnington RFT from Tyseley LMD this morning for some reason.
Interestingly, it shows 9 units 2/10/22.
I distantly recall the fact that 17 units are set for transfer to Northern to join their existing fleet of 323s, whilst the other 9 have not been assigned a future operator yet, which could explain the split in dates.
I would of thought that the 17 units for Northern would go first. Leaving the 9 with no future till last.
This is terrible news.
There was never any chance of them being introduced in May. WMT want them in for December timetable
Dear WMR,
Dear WMR,
No, get those 153s out of storage and run those to supplement your services.
If, however, the DfT allows us to place an order for brand new FLIRTS to replace our entire Regional fleet (which would probably enter service before your CAF 196s do!), you can have our 170s. You can have our 158s too if you’re really worried about having sufficient rolling stock.
Lots of love,
EMR
WMR then gets a letter from the DfT…
Dear WMR,
Further to our becoming aware of correspondence between yourselves and EMR over the 170/5s, we would be happy to require EMR to return all of them to you. We love seeing the misery within their Regional operations; and given they they have so many cancelled and short-formed services anyway, we might as well relieve them of a few more trains - the situation is that bad anyway that removing some more trains isn’t going to make too much of a difference.
You can expect EMR to return your 170s by the end of next week.
Kind regards,
DfT
I think the sad thing is that despite the much maligned Regional operation it seems likely that in actual fact EMR Regional, excepting the 158s retained, will actually end up with more 170s than originally planned. It'll just take time for them to appear.
Let's hope people don't regret the wait eh! Certainly looking at August now, unbelievably
They were meant to, but failed en route so TfW received some more ex-EMR units. They were then sent to storage at Burton and Long Marston - pretty sure one or two have been scrapped as well?
If I recall traction knowledge lapses after six months, which I believe we are well beyond by now unfortunately.
02,03,05-13,17-19, 41-3 going to Northern
It does yeah, wouldn't take much to get crew retrained if needed though
When are the WMR 323s going to northern?
