XC want to abandon Doncaster

[hairyhandedfool]

Looking at it logically, York-Leeds-Sheffield has the XC service, has a limited EMT intercity service for part of the route and the thrice hourly FTPE service from York-Leeds, it is therefore clearly busy.

The York-Doncaster-Sheffield route has fewer through services, although does have the NEEC service from York to Doncaster, so whilst partially busy, it clearly doesn't have the demand and if the ECML is as busy as everyone wants us to believe, it is a logical choice.

 

[gordonthemoron]

XC should use the direct York-Sheffield route

 

[1D53]

Well that wouldn't then benefit anybody!

 

[gordonthemoron]

Well that wouldn't then benefit anybody!

It should benefit people south of sheffield and north of york by making the journey time less

 

[Tom B]

Unless they want to go to Leeds, Docnaster, Rotherham, Hull, Lincoln...

 

[Nym]

Well, then at lest everyone can moan equaly....

God it's like 5 year olds! "If Leeds and Doncaster can't get along we won't be stoping at either of you!"

 

[Respite]

Just like to point out that it's not Arriva XC, it's just cross country. If it was called Arriva XC then us at Arriva Trains Wales would now all be on a hell of a lot more money due to parity.

 

[P156KWJ]

to be honest, I think people seem to think there is no life north or west of London - the only improvements we get in the east midlands is the opening of East Midlands Airport station (which is going well), and a direct London - Lincoln service once a day. woohoo :???:

 

[djw1981]

Just like to point out that it's not Arriva XC, it's just cross country. If it was called Arriva XC then us at Arriva Trains Wales would now all be on a hell of a lot more money due to parity.

Eh...... FSR and FGW are not on parity - separate franchises, separate T&C's.

 

[Max]

Just like to point out that it's not Arriva XC, it's just cross country. If it was called Arriva XC then us at Arriva Trains Wales would now all be on a hell of a lot more money due to parity.

Tell announcers that - Doncaster often announces it as Arriva Cross Country

Maybe that's why they're losing the service

 

[yorkie]

I can see the logic in that many NXEC services already call at Doncaster, which on the surface appears to negate any need for a Doncaster-Scotladn service. Problem is, as you've all said, Doncaster now has extremely few direct services into Scotland. Sure, there's the possiblity of transfer at York/Sheffield/Leeds, but why should people bother?

This argument is a red herring.

While I agree with you that it's a bad move, bear in mind what you've said makes little sense as the Doncaster services do not go to Scotland at present, so there is no change to the Scotland service to Doncaster. Doh!

 

[me123]

I had a feeling the 0900 GLC-PNZ went to Donny? Probably my imagination...

 

[Tom C]

Nope 9V57 doesn't stop at Doncaster.....

Location FD Scheduled Arrival Scheduled Departure Expected Arrival Expected Departure Pl Lateness DR
Glasgow Central [GLC] 0900 No report
GLGCBSJ Pass 0902 Pass No report
EGLNSTJ Pass 0902 Pass No report
RTHGNEJ Pass 0906 Pass No report
Newton [NTN] Pass 0908 Pass No report
UDNGTNJ Pass 0909 Pass No report
Motherwell [MTH] 0914 No report
LAWJ Pass 0919 Pass No report
LANARKJ Pass 0924 Pass No report
Carstairs [CRS] Pass 0926 Pass No report
CRSTRSE Pass 0928 Pass No report
ACHNGRY Pass 0932 Pass No report
TORPHIN Pass 0937 Pass No report
MDCLDRJ Pass 0940 Pass No report
SLATFDJ Pass 0948 Pass No report
Haymarket [HYM] 0954 0955 No report No report
PRNCSTG Pass 0957 Pass No report
Edinburgh [EDB] 1001 1005 No report No report
PORTOBL Pass 1008 Pass No report
MNKTNHJ Pass 1010 Pass No report
Drem [DRM] Pass 1016 Pass No report
Dunbar [DUN] Pass 1023 Pass No report
GTHS Pass 1031 Pass No report
RESTON Pass 1035 Pass No report
REST402 Pass 1040 Pass No report
Berwick-upon-Tweed [BWK] Pass 1042 Pass No report
BELFORD Pass 1051 Pass No report
Alnmouth [ALM] 1100 1104 No report No report
Morpeth [MPT] 1117 1118 No report No report
HTONSJN Pass 1133 Pass No report
Newcastle [NCL] 1135 1140 No report No report
KEBGSJN Pass 1141 Pass No report
BRTLYJN Pass 1145 Pass No report
Durham [DHM] 1151 1152 No report No report
TURSDLJ Pass 1158 Pass No report
FYHLSJN Pass 1200 Pass No report
Darlington [DAR] 1209 1210 No report No report
Northallerton [NTR] Pass 1220 Pass No report
Thirsk [THI] Pass 1226 Pass No report
TOLERTN Pass 1232 Pass No report
SKELTON Pass 1238 Pass No report
York [YRK] 1241 1244 No report No report
COLTONJ Pass 1249 Pass No report
Church Fenton [CHF] Pass 1252 Pass No report
Micklefield [MIK] Pass 1255 Pass No report
Cross Gates [CRG] Pass 1300 Pass No report
NEVLWJN Pass 1303 Pass No report
Leeds [LDS] 1308 1310 No report No report
LEEDSWJ Pass 1312 Pass No report
WHRDJN Pass 1312 Pass No report
HOLBJCN Pass 1313 Pass No report
Wakefield Westgate [WKF] 1323 1323 No report No report
HAREPKJ Pass 1328 Pass No report
SKIRBYJ Pass 1332 Pass No report
Moorthorpe [MRP] Pass 1333 Pass No report
Swinton (South Yorkshire) [SWN] Pass 1339 Pass No report
ALDWRKJ Pass 1340 Pass No report
ROTHHJN Pass 1344 Pass No report
WNCOJN Pass 1346 Pass No report
NNRYMLJ Pass 1349 Pass No report
Sheffield [SHF] 1351 1353 No report No report
DORESNJ Pass 1358 Pass No report
Chesterfield [CHD] Pass 1404 Pass No report
CLAYXSJ Pass 1406 Pass No report
AMBERGJ Pass 1413 Pass No report
Derby [DBY] 1422 1424 No report No report
STSNJN Pass 1430 Pass No report
NSJDRBY Pass 1430 Pass No report
CLMLJN Pass 1432 Pass No report
Burton-on-Trent [BUT] Pass 1433 Pass No report
WICHNRJ Pass 1437 Pass No report
Tamworth [TAM] Pass 1447 Pass No report
KNGSBYJ Pass 1453 Pass No report
Water Orton [WTO] Pass 1455 Pass No report
LNDRSTJ Pass 1500 Pass No report
PROOFHJ Pass 1502 Pass No report
Birmingham New Street [BHM] 1506 1510 No report No report
Selly Oak [SLY] Pass 1518 Pass No report
Kings Norton [KNN] Pass 1522 Pass No report
Longbridge [LOB] Pass 1524 Pass No report
Barnt Green [BTG] Pass 1527 Pass No report
Bromsgrove [BMV] Pass 1530 Pass No report
STKWKSJ Pass 1531 Pass No report
ABTSWDJ Pass 1538 Pass No report
Ashchurch for Tewkesbury [ASC] Pass 1545 Pass No report
Cheltenham Spa [CNM] 1551 1552 No report No report
BNWDJN Pass 1559 Pass No report
GLOSTYJ Pass 1600 Pass No report
STNDSHJ Pass 1604 Pass No report
CHFIELD Pass 1612 Pass No report
Yate [YAE] Pass 1617 Pass No report
WSTLGHJ Pass 1619 Pass No report
Bristol Parkway [BPW] 1625 1625 No report No report
Filton Abbey Wood [FIT] Pass 1628 Pass No report
Stapleton Road [SRD] Pass 1633 Pass No report
DRDAYSJ Pass 1637 Pass No report
BRSTLEJ Pass 1638 Pass No report
Bristol Temple Meads [BRI] 1641 1644 No report No report
BRSTLWJ Pass 1645 Pass No report
WORLEJ Pass 1657 Pass No report
UPHILLJ Pass 1659 Pass No report
Highbridge & Burnham [HIG] Pass 1703 Pass No report
Bridgwater [BWT] Pass 1706 Pass No report
COGLOAD Pass 1711 Pass No report
Taunton [TAU] 1715 1717 No report No report
Tiverton Parkway [TVP] 1728 1729 No report No report
TIVILP Pass 1731 Pass No report
CWLYBDG Pass 1741 Pass No report
Exeter St Davids [EXD] 1743 1745 No report No report
Dawlish Warren [DWW] Pass 1753 Pass No report
Newton Abbot [NTA] 1808 1809 No report No report
Totnes [TOT] 1821 1822 No report No report
Ivybridge [IVY] Pass 1834 Pass No report
HEMERDN Pass 1839 Pass No report
LIPSONJ Pass 1844 Pass No report
Plymouth [PLY] 1852 1900 No report No report
STBDXJN Pass 1904 Pass No report
Saltash [STS] Pass 1907 Pass No report
St Germans [SGM] Pass 1912 Pass No report
Liskeard [LSK] 1922 1923 No report No report
STPNCVE Pass 1928 Pass No report
LRGN Pass 1929 Pass No report
Bodmin Parkway [BOD] 1934 1935 No report No report
Lostwithiel [LOS] 1940 1941 No report No report
Par [PAR] 1946 1947 No report No report
St Austell [SAU] 1953 1954 No report No report
BGLWJN Pass 1956 Pass No report
PROBUS Pass 2003 Pass No report
Truro [TRU] 2010 2011 No report No report
PNWTHRJ Pass 2012 Pass No report
BLDHU Pass 2015 Pass No report
Redruth [RED] 2021 2022 No report No report
Camborne [CBN] 2028 2029 No report No report
Hayle [HYL] 2036 2036 No report No report
St Erth [SER] 2039 2041 No report No report
LNGROCK Pass 2048 Pass No report
Penzance [PNZ]

 

[momentum]

9V57?

Is that headcode a double voyager or an Hst, and whats dates is it due to run please.

 

[Tom C]

Its a normal XC working, I believe some of the XC's were reclassified as 9*** some time ago, to my limited knowledge that far north its Monday-Friday

 

[momentum]

Thanks just wondered. Remember last year when the cotswolds and Gloucester got flooded after most parts of Yorkshire, that the Summer Saturdays hsts didnt make it beyond birmingham and they went North to Edinburgh vice voyager as 9Sxx.

Something to do with the train length I believe?

 

[David]

9xxx is any Anglo-Scottish Cross Country service. It was supposededly introduced to cut down on delays, by the fact the signaller would recognise is as an XC service, and route it accordingly.

 

[momentum]

Thanks.

 

[1D53]

9xxx is any Anglo-Scottish Cross Country service. It was supposededly introduced to cut down on delays, by the fact the signaller would recognise is as an XC service, and route it accordingly.

Aye, Class 9 should in theory go ahead of Class 1 allowing crisis to be averted elsewhere on the Class 9's journey!

 

[me123]

9V57?

Is that headcode a double voyager or an Hst, and whats dates is it due to run please.

9V57 is currently a single class 221 diagram GLC-PNZ.

As David said, all our XC services in Scotland that go into England are 9xxx headcodes. They get priority over other trains (class 1s and 2s, for example), due to the distances involved, although I don't know if it gets priority over a 3xxx priority ECS service).

 

[yorkie]

I was on a busy NXEC limited stop express the other week which had a 5 min wait at York for it's booked time. While waiting, one of these annoying class 9 short DMUs running 20 late turned up and departed about 1 min before our booked departure time, with more station calls.

Needless to say, we had to wait outside Darlington and again near Durham (where we didn't call), and again at Newcastle. I imagine it would have been like that all the way to Edinburgh. Had a 10 min connection become a 4 minute dash as a result!

I'm all for routeing Voyagers ahead of slow all-stoppers, especially between Birmingham and Derby where the Voyagers can do it in approx 30 compared to around 50 for an all shacks, but putting a 4 or 5 coach DMU in front of a 9 coach express with 3 times as many passengers on board is crackers.

 

[Bayum]

It doesnt exactly say though that all the services they plan to run wont call at Doncaster. And most trains that run through to Leeds call at Doncaster, Wakefield Westgate and Leeds anyways. BUT, there are a lot of services that dont need other services to get to London from York and Doncaster, so it really wont be that bad a miss.

 

[1D53]

No Crosscountry trains run direct from Leeds to Doncaster.

 

[Ascot]

No Crosscountry trains run direct from Leeds to Doncaster.

There's a few odd ones in the early morning. The cross country network on paper can easily get from anywhere on the network to anywhere on the network as most if not all pass New St. However due to companies getting fined every time a train is late they have to cut services short and make it into a commuter style.

 

[5872]

XC Services are too mixed up anyway, From Bournemouth in the mornings the service is:

0945:Waverly(cant spell) Via Reading, Birmingham, Doncaster, York and the rubbish up to Newcastle and then the long drag to Waverly.

Now heres the catch:

1045 : Manchester Picc, Takes a differnt route

Reason I called the Newcastle bit crap is because its such along drag...

 

[djw1981]

Newcastle - Waverly is hardly a drag - often its all the way at full speed (with maybe one or two stops)!

 

[class 313]

XC Services are too mixed up anyway, From Bournemouth in the mornings the service is:

0945:Waverly(cant spell) Via Reading, Birmingham, Doncaster, York and the rubbish up to Newcastle and then the long drag to Waverly.

Now heres the catch:

1045 : Manchester Picc, Takes a differnt route

Reason I called the Newcastle bit crap is because its such along drag...

I sure I wont be the only one to say this, but. What?

 

[Ascot]

XC Services are too mixed up anyway, From Bournemouth in the mornings the service is:

0945:Waverly(cant spell) Via Reading, Birmingham, Doncaster, York and the rubbish up to Newcastle and then the long drag to Waverly.

Now heres the catch:

1045 : Manchester Picc, Takes a differnt route

Reason I called the Newcastle bit crap is because its such along drag...

:???:

 

[thefab444]

The service from Bournemouth is roughly one hour Scotland, next hour Manchester Piccadilly.

From the end of this year it will be all Manchester via Coventry & Stoke-on-Trent (with one or two late nighters via Wilmslow) apart from one Newcastle, and a single Nottingham - Bournemouth trip. So that'll please you Fred. :roll:


The good news is the Summer Saturday Expresses, which are the 0945 and 1045 are staying, these two are fast from Basingstoke to Birmingham New Street.

 

[djw1981]

XC Services are too mixed up anyway, From Bournemouth in the mornings the service is:

0945:Waverly(cant spell) Via Reading, Birmingham, Doncaster, York and the rubbish up to Newcastle and then the long drag to Waverly.

Now heres the catch:

1045 : Manchester Picc, Takes a differnt route

Reason I called the Newcastle bit crap is because its such along drag...

Translation

I think the Sc services are too mixed up

The Am ex Bomo
0945 to Edinburgh, via Reading, Birmingham, Doncaster, York & all stops to Newcastle

1045 to Manchester Picc takes a different route

Which I think would be expected because Manchester is not on the same line at Newcastle.