York to Birmingham Routeings

[Central Trains]

Any chance anyone could give me the several routing ways an any permitted York to Birmingham ticket is valid please?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Romilly]

You can take a through train.

You can take the shortest route (using the mileages given in the National Rail timetables).

You can take a route up to 3 miles longer than the shortest route.

You can take up a route permitted by ATOC's routeing guide. That means:

a route drawn between York and Birmingham on map BY without doubling back;

a route drawn (without doubling back) by starting from York on map MN, getting as far as a point common to maps MN and and BM, and then continuing on map BM from that common point to Birmingham; and

a route drawn by starting from York on map MN, getting as far as a point common to maps MN and TM, continuing on map TM from that common point to a point common to maps TM and BP, and then continuing on map BP from that second common point to Birmingham.

Listing all the mapped routes would be a long job. Taking just map BY on its own, a mapped route has to go via Meadowhall, Sheffield, Chesterfield and Derby. But as there are 8 possible routes between York & Sheffield, and 5 possible routes between Derby and Birmingham, that means that there are 40 possible routes just from map BY. Add to those the various routes given by MN+BM and MN+TM+BP (which include routes via Manchester) ....

 

[Crossover]

You say about the umpteen possible routes. I'm fairly sure would be barred due to the fares check rule. That is one of the areas I'm not so sure on so I'll leave someone else to advise on that

 

[bb21]

York to Birmingham does not require any fares check as both are Routeing Points.

 

[Central Trains]

You can take a through train.

You can take the shortest route (using the mileages given in the National Rail timetables).

You can take a route up to 3 miles longer than the shortest route.

You can take up a route permitted by ATOC's routeing guide. That means:

a route drawn between York and Birmingham on map BY without doubling back;

a route drawn (without doubling back) by starting from York on map MN, getting as far as a point common to maps MN and and BM, and then continuing on map BM from that common point to Birmingham; and

a route drawn by starting from York on map MN, getting as far as a point common to maps MN and TM, continuing on map TM from that common point to a point common to maps TM and BP, and then continuing on map BP from that second common point to Birmingham.

Listing all the mapped routes would be a long job. Taking just map BY on its own, a mapped route has to go via Meadowhall, Sheffield, Chesterfield and Derby. But as there are 8 possible routes between York & Sheffield, and 5 possible routes between Derby and Birmingham, that means that there are 40 possible routes just from map BY. Add to those the various routes given by MN+BM and MN+TM+BP (which include routes via Manchester) ....

Thank you very much!

 

[SickyNicky]

In reality, York to Birmingham will throw up thousands of possible routes. The two obvious ones are using CrossCountry via Sheffield and Derby and using TransPennine to Manchester and Virgin or CrossCountry from there.

Do you have any specific ideas about the route you want to travel? If you can narrow down the search, we may be able to help more.

 

[Central Trains]

Just fancied doing something more than the standard due XC between the two stations. Wondered if it was valid via Leicester and Nottingham? Or what are the valid routes I could travel instead of the more 'traditional' typical route.

Thanks in advance.

 

[bb21]

Leicester is, Nottingham is not (bizarrely).

York - Leeds - Manchester - Crewe or Stoke - Stafford - Nuneaton - Birmingham is also permitted if you fancy a spin on the Trent Valley services.

 

[Central Trains]

Leicester is, Nottingham is not (bizarrely).

York - Leeds - Manchester - Crewe or Stoke - Stafford - Nuneaton - Birmingham is also permitted if you fancy a spin on the Trent Valley services.

Thanks for your help.

So...York - Doncaster - Sheffield - Leicester - Nuneaton - Birmingham. Would be a permitted route?

 

[SickyNicky]

Thanks for your help.

So...York - Doncaster - Sheffield - Leicester - Nuneaton - Birmingham. Would be a permitted route?

Yes.

Interestingly, I tried this out on TrainsCanBeCheaper.info (which can give you diagnostics about whether a route is permitted or not) and it came up as not permitted.

The reason, of course, is that there are diversions this week and trains from Nuneaton are going via Walsall and Bescot into Birmingham instead of the direct route. So if you're travelling this week, it might make an interestingly different journey.

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

The reason, of course, is that there are diversions this week and trains from Nuneaton are going via Walsall and Bescot into Birmingham instead of the direct route. So if you're travelling this week, it might make an interestingly different journey.

Yes, this week (only) you could go Derby-Birmingham via Sutton Coldfield, either High Level via Lichfield or Low Level via Coleshill.
This last one is recommended as a scenic route: it's surprisingly full of woodlands and golf courses!
And maybe even via Beighton if the landslip closes the direct line north of Chesterfield as threatened.

Edit: Just got the map out and realised the Sutton Park (Midland) line, despite being in a cutting at that point, is the High Level Route.
The Cross City line (LNWR) is in a tunnel below.

 

[34D]

Yes, this week (only) you could go Derby-Birmingham via Sutton Coldfield, either High Level via Lichfield or Low Level via Coleshill.
This last one is recommended as a scenic route: it's surprisingly full of woodlands and golf courses!
And maybe even via Beighton if the landslip closes the direct line north of Chesterfield as threatened.

Already has, southbound only