Yorkshire timetable changes?

[littledude]

Hello everyone,
I was just wondering if anyone knows of any changes that TOCS in Yorkshire have made to their timetables.
The ones I know of are (Northern Rail)...

New Sunday Sheffield-Carlisle-Nottingham diagram
1819 Doncaster-Sheffield is now retimed to 1815

Anymore would be appreciated

Tom O'Donnell

 

[ashworth]

New Sunday Sheffield-Carlisle-Nottingham diagram

I suppose that this diagram is just run for the convenience of stock movement by Northern. If they can do this for one through Carlisle to Nottingham service on a Sunday, it would be great if they could run a daily two hourly Carlisle-Leeds-Sheffield-Nottingham service.
However, as Northern do not do any Advance fares with Nottingham to Carlisle fares being £79.40 (Off Peak Return) and £124 (Anytime Return) who would use this route when with a little bit of searching AP fares via Manchester are available at £16.50 single.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Is the new Carlisle train run via Skipton and Settle?

 

[GNERman]

Sheffield to Carlisle - http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y36325/2012/12/16

Carlisle to Nottingham - http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y36326/2012/12/16


Also in the Yorkshire area, all of Grand Central's West Riding services now stop at Wakefield Kirkgate and Mirfield.
I also heard that some/all of Northern's Selby/Leeds to Wakefield Westgate services have now been split to Selby/Leeds to Huddersfield and Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate, of which the latter will mainly be worked by a single 153.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Pages 2-5 here list all changes:

http://www.wymetro.com/NR/rdonlyres...5/0/Network_Dec2012May2013_TrainTimetable.pdf

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Hadn't heard of the new Shef-Carlisle-Notts run, would have gone down to see it on Sunday, will go down this weekend, although it looks to just be a typical 158 working.

If they can do this for one through Carlisle to Nottingham service on a Sunday, it would be great if they could run a daily two hourly Carlisle-Leeds-Sheffield-Nottingham service.

Comparing the running times, in both directions it would be considerably quicker to use the EMT trains via Manchester than going direct.

We did briefly get a morning Skipton to Sheffield service on the Airedale line, for Saturday (or was it Sunday?) shoppers going to Meadowhall but that didn't last long.

 

[northwichcat]

Comparing the running times, in both directions it would be considerably quicker to use the EMT trains via Manchester than going direct.

A lot of excursion trains to Carlisle are booked to do a longer trip via Settle in one direction only, so I imagine some people will see it as an advantage that they can get a direct train via Settle in one direction and make a faster return via Manchester or vice versa.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....However, as Northern do not do any Advance fares....

Northern do offer some Advance fares (Sheffield to Nottingham for example).

 

[Tim R-T-C]

158904 on 1M99 Carlisle to Nottingham by Tim R-T-C, on Flickr

 

[Waverley125]

have to say, I'm certain Northern could make a pretty penny by running an alternate-hour fast via the S&C, going through to Glasgow via the G&SW. Calling Shipley, Bingley, Keighley, Skipton, Settle, Kirkby Stephen, Appleby, Carlisle, Dumfries & Kilmarnock.

 

[gerryuk]

have to say, I'm certain Northern could make a pretty penny by running an alternate-hour fast via the S&C, going through to Glasgow via the G&SW. Calling Shipley, Bingley, Keighley, Skipton, Settle, Kirkby Stephen, Appleby, Carlisle, Dumfries & Kilmarnock.

Sheffield to Glasgow, 4hr 50mins direct. The same train from Leeds is 4hr 10mins direct.
Sheffield to Carlisle, 3hr 30mins direct. The same train from Leeds 2hr 30mins direct.
Scotrail can do Carlisle to Glasgow in 1hr 30mins with one calling point at Lockerbie. So not much in it time wise going via either Newcastle or Carlisle.
However i don’t think people from either Sheffield or Leeds would want to go via Carlisle with such a service. For such a long journey people want quiet rolling stock and a good decent buffet.
The service via Carlisle will be good for people in places like Barnsley and Huddersfield who don’t have any direct trains to Scotland.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

have to say, I'm certain Northern could make a pretty penny by running an alternate-hour fast via the S&C, going through to Glasgow via the G&SW. Calling Shipley, Bingley, Keighley, Skipton, Settle, Kirkby Stephen, Appleby, Carlisle, Dumfries & Kilmarnock.

They did for a while (well, their predecessors did) but the Carlisle to Glasgow leg was just duplicating Scotrail services and it was quicker just to change onto a Pendolino at Carlisle.

 

[34D]

I also heard that some/all of Northern's Selby/Leeds to Wakefield Westgate services have now been split to Selby/Leeds to Huddersfield and Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate, of which the latter will mainly be worked by a single 153.

This isn't great for people who want to travel Bradford to Wakefield though

 

[calc7]

This isn't great for people who want to travel Bradford to Wakefield though

Surely those passengers should be changing at Leeds...?

 

[Anvil1984]

Theres always the connecting trains / direct trains argument but I think in this case it was a necessary evil. The reason behind it was that decent units were spending too much time away from the busy part of the route due to the fact a unit would usually do a Leeds - Man Vic semi fast and then back all the way through to Selby then do what is known as the grand tour through to Wakefield and all the way back to Leeds via Huddersfield to start again.

This tied up 3 car 158s and 155+153s for 2 hours whilst it shuttled from Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate then sat in the siding for 30 mins then worked back to Huddersfield then to Leeds via Bradford etc. At least this way the same 3 cars may only be stuck at Huddersfield for an hour.

I hope this makes kind of some sense

 

[34D]

Theres always the connecting trains / direct trains argument but I think in this case it was a necessary evil. The reason behind it was that decent units were spending too much time away from the busy part of the route due to the fact a unit would usually do a Leeds - Man Vic semi fast and then back all the way through to Selby then do what is known as the grand tour through to Wakefield and all the way back to Leeds via Huddersfield to start again.

This tied up 3 car 158s and 155+153s for 2 hours whilst it shuttled from Huddersfield to Wakefield Westgate then sat in the siding for 30 mins then worked back to Huddersfield then to Leeds via Bradford etc. At least this way the same 3 cars may only be stuck at Huddersfield for an hour.

I hope this makes kind of some sense

Certainly does, though as a pedant I should point out that the 3 car 158s are diagrammed for york-blackpool, and that the grand tour is/was a mix (50/50 in my observations) of two car 158s and pacers/150s.

I do hope that we will still get pacers at crossgates and Garforth.

Out of interest does anyone know if the non stop 0932 Leeds-York is still booked for a class 142?

 

[Anvil1984]

Well as someone who has actually worked the route up until very recently, there is at least 1 3 car 158 diagram on Leeda to Man Vic and associated gubbins and a couple of 2 car diagrams including the one that forms the 1641 Leeds to York (from Blackpool).

 

[ashworth]

However i don’t think people from either Sheffield or Leeds would want to go via Carlisle with such a service. For such a long journey people want quiet rolling stock and a good decent buffet.

I recently did a journey from Chesterfield to Glasgow changing at Leeds and Carlisle, mainly because an AP fare via Appleby priced by Virgin + connections was so much cheaper than a direct XC service or changing at Manchester.
It took about an hour longer by this route, mainly due to waiting for connections at Leeds and Carlisle, but I have to say that the Northern 158's between Chesterfield and Leeds and Leeds and Carlisle were so much more comfortable and pleasant to travel in than the Voyager between Carlisle and Glasgow. I did take my own food but used the trolley for drinks between Leeds and Carlisle.