Dr_Paul
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I saw several 159 / 170 combinations on the Waterloo to Exeter service when SWT had both in service. They looked odd because of the completely different unit ends.
One of the units was 3 coaches, the rest were 4.if thats full length, how is it an odd number of coaches?
Nice! I knew about 15x & 170 multi working yes Did you say further up that TfW have now run 170 & 153 combos in passenger service (I knew West Midlands and predecessors have been doing it for years, there's even a photo I took at Telford Central years ago on RWL2011 Flickr; it's a close up of the coupled 170 & 153 cab ends).TFW had a lash up on Saturday evening on 5V98 19+32 Abbey Foregate to Canton (Sunday service) which after attaching in the station at Shrewsbury was formed 153+150+150+158.
i remember seeing this on a different thread
Nice! I knew about 15x & 170 multi working yes Did you say further up that TfW have now run 170 & 153 combos in passenger service (I knew West Midlands and predecessors have been doing it for years, there's even a photo I took at Telford Central years ago on RWL2011 Flickr; it's a close up of the coupled 170 & 153 cab ends).
I read about that. Didn't one of the two trains fail and it was a rescue operation?
From the thread i linkedI read about that. Didn't one of the two trains fail and it was a rescue operation?
Ah, okay, that's a different one to what I was thinking. That's actually very recent by the looks, 375602 and the 395, Ashford depot. As to why they were coupled, no idea. If I find out I'll update.
I've checked and the situation I was thinking of was 395001 and 375923 in December 2007. The AC equipment at Ashford wasn't complete yet, so in order to carry out some static AC testing on the 395s, one would have to be taken to Dollands Moor. So, 60052 (I knew there was a loco involved, and a class 60 at that!) coupled to the front of 395001 through an adapted/translator coupler. 375923 was then attached to the rear of 395001. The 375 then hauled the 395 and the 60 into Ashford station (platform 6), before the 375 was uncoupled and the 60 on front hauled the 395 to Dollands Moor for static AC testing. Pretty odd consist, will probably never be repeated - 60052+395001+375923.
They aren't able to run together really, the coupling is mechanical only. Purely for rescuing in an absolute emergency (possibly what the image you linked to was testing, but not sure).
Is it me or is the Javelin taller than the Electrostar?
it is by about an inch
My favourites were definitely the rag bag DMU formations that Tyseley used to chuck out on the cross city line in the early 90's, I seem to once recall a 3 car set consisting of a 119, 117 and 116 vehicle!
There are lots of photos on Flickr. Took until April for them to insert the spare car and it ran round for a good few weeks.I think there is a photo showing 158943 (52843 + 52842 + 57843) on this forum unless it was on the old Northern Railways forum which closed in 2013, @bluenoxid may know as he was a member on there too.
Around the turn of the century, I noted Chiltern running a hybrid 165 with a car from one unit bolted to the front of another set. I had to do a double take when I saw it at Snow Hill as it looked extremely odd having the non-driving end of one Turbo attached to the cab of another.
As far as I’m aware, all carriages were in passenger use as well - hopefully with some form of blanking plate to stop the possibility of someone falling out the end of the shortened unit!
Similar occurred with first generation units in their earlier decades, tacking an extra power car or driving trailer on the end of a set. The Scottish Region in particular seemed to excel at this practice
Did you see the number?Around the turn of the century, I noted Chiltern running a hybrid 165 with a car from one unit bolted to the front of another set. I had to do a double take when I saw it at Snow Hill as it looked extremely odd having the non-driving end of one Turbo attached to the cab of another.
As far as I’m aware, all carriages were in passenger use as well - hopefully with some form of blanking plate to stop the possibility of someone falling out the end of the shortened unit!
Lots of 3 car 158s are made up like this too
Did you see the number?
I don’t recall I’m afraid, but looking on Flickr, it was likely this one (not my photo):
Hybrid
Units stabled in the wall siding at Marylebone. A closer look will reveal that this is an unusual hybrid unit with DMS 58852 from unit 165019 coupled corridor-to-cab with unit 165026. It ran like this for quite some time whilst the other car from 165019 underwent repairs. The corridor connection...www.flickr.com
Around the turn of the century, I noted Chiltern running a hybrid 165 with a car from one unit bolted to the front of another set. I had to do a double take when I saw it at Snow Hill as it looked extremely odd having the non-driving end of one Turbo attached to the cab of another. As far as I’m aware, all carriages were in passenger use as well - hopefully with some form of blanking plate to stop the possibility of someone falling out the end of the shortened unit!
On some EMUs the intra-set couplings are quite different to the inter-set ones: with the 455, the intra-set coupling consists of two plates, each at the end of a bar, bolted together; whereas the inter-set coupling is a buck-eye. Presumably the intra-set and inter-set couplings on the 165s are the same.
I did read somewhere that, because of the different speeds at which field weakening happened on the 2 transmissions, such a combo was reckoned as better than a pair of either.