Landslip at Hatfield Colliery (near Doncaster) line to Hull/Scunthorpe now reopened.

[DarloRich]

Dont suggest that, it upsets some people on here

No - what angers people is your total and utter inability to see beyond the end of your nose and look at the bigger picture!

Perhaps, if you think Lincolnshire deserves such an improved railway service and infrastructure you could ask the Conservative dominated council and MPs to provide some funding. I am sure the affluent shire residents will be more than happy to have money spent on the railways

 

[WillPS]

170305 is parked between platforms 5 and 6 at Sheffield, dunno if this always happens on a friday but my first thoughts were that it must be off to Cleethorpes.

Just a thought - but if this happened could TPE hitch a lift on the back of a Saturday Northern service?

 

[bradders1983]

170305 is parked between platforms 5 and 6 at Sheffield, dunno if this always happens on a friday but my first thoughts were that it must be off to Cleethorpes.

Just a thought - but if this happened could TPE hitch a lift on the back of a Saturday Northern service?

This would miss out Doncaster and Meadowhall Int, so why would they do this?

 

[Tomnick]

170305 is parked between platforms 5 and 6 at Sheffield, dunno if this always happens on a friday but my first thoughts were that it must be off to Cleethorpes.

Just a thought - but if this happened could TPE hitch a lift on the back of a Saturday Northern service?

Presumably you mean just to swap the unit rather than try to provide a useful passenger service? The main obstacle this time would be (lack of) traction knowledge, so both Driver and Guard would need to be conducted.

 

[Boothby97]

If you mean Northern move the 170 tomorrow with one of their units and they take one of 185s back to Sheffield, can't be done. 185s can't couple to any other class,
Thanks, Sam

 

[eastwestdivide]

Just out of interest, plugging tomorrow's times for Brigg (0001-2359) into realtime trains, it shows something like 53 paths booked (a couple of obvious duplicates), with the last one at 2104. That includes the 3 out and back Northern Sheffield-Cleethorpes services. No TP transfers visible in the system.
Reducing that to the hours of daylight (roughly), 0700-1700, 23 paths in 10 hours including 4 of the Northern paths and the rest freight/light engines.

 

[Mugby]

Presumably Hatfield Colliery has continued to turn coal while all this has been going on?
Does anyone know how many trainloads it would normally generate? If the loading bunker is inaccessible for the forseeable future, it must be creating a massive increase in lorry traffic on the local roads.

 

[Crossover]

170305 is parked between platforms 5 and 6 at Sheffield, dunno if this always happens on a friday but my first thoughts were that it must be off to Cleethorpes.

Just a thought - but if this happened could TPE hitch a lift on the back of a Saturday Northern service?

There was a 170 (couldn't tell you which though) parked up on one of the through roads between 1 and 2 on Tuesday as well

 

[lincolnshire]

Presumably Hatfield Colliery has continued to turn coal while all this has been going on?
Does anyone know how many trainloads it would normally generate? If the loading bunker is inaccessible for the forseeable future, it must be creating a massive increase in lorry traffic on the local roads.

Yes that was one of the first lines to start moving the one through the bunker, so the line has gone, the ground frame to release the engine and 4 wooden ploes from years ago.

So all coal will have to go by road.

 

[Boothby97]

Not many trainloads were moved anyway
Thanks, Sam

 

[Cundy66]

It probably looks like this by now:

You wasn't far off if you look at picture below one you posted

 

[222meridianfan]

I may go up today and get some pictures, does anyone know if hugh hill lane is still open

 

[TheBoyFromTheN]

Class 185 finally did the Brigg line both ways on Wednesday.
Was it just a unit swap or is there a chance they are looking at it as an alternative route?

source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/lincolnshirerailways/

anyone decipher this?

 

[Highy]

Hi fellas,

Hope you don't mind me posting this link, it might interest some of you. Taken from the bridleway through the waste tips, it gives an idea of the condition of the tip. The cabin in the background is next to the trackbed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/highy/8511049640/

 

[Jordy]

Re using 170s on the Scunthorpe shuttle - am I not right in saying there are no facilities for fuelling 170s at Cleethorpes? I believe that is (was?) the reason that there are no 170 diagrams that involve them stabling there overnight.

 

[Boothby97]

Re using 170s on the Scunthorpe shuttle - am I not right in saying there are no facilities for fuelling 170s at Cleethorpes? I believe that is (was?) the reason that there are no 170 diagrams that involve them stabling there overnight.

A Class 170 has stayed overnight at Cleethorpes a few times. During the Medge Hall blockade, a 170 was stabled here to do crew training for Cleethorpes based staff so they could crew the 170s.
Also, I've travalled on a 170 out of Cleethorpes on the 0726 to Manchester which would suggest one has stayed overnight more recently, so I wouldnt be suprised if they can fuel the 170s at Cleethorpes. And, they fuel the Barton Line 153 here so surely they can fuel 170s.
Thanks, Sam

 

[Kirk Sandall]

hello, will the line ever re-open?

 

[YorkshireBear]

hello, will the line ever re-open?

Yes it will re-open, when is a very different question. To my knowledge it has yet to stop moving, it will be about 10 weeks from the slide stopping moving. What you need to pray for is no heavy rain, any per-longed heavy rain and the slide will speed up again and we'll be going backwards.

Network rail are doing everything they can but till the slide stops there is nothing they can do except prepare for when it does stop which they are doing.

Welcome to the forum. If you have any more questions feel free to ask

 

[sheff'd victoria]

. What you need to pray for is no heavy rain, any per-longed heavy rain and the slide will speed up again and we'll be going backwards.

Heavy rain in England .........Never

Im going for a October opening , wonder what odds I would get ?

Any updated pictures from NR ?

 

[Kirk Sandall]

Yes it will re-open, when is a very different question. To my knowledge it has yet to stop moving, it will be about 10 weeks from the slide stopping moving. What you need to pray for is no heavy rain, any per-longed heavy rain and the slide will speed up again and we'll be going backwards.

Network rail are doing everything they can but till the slide stops there is nothing they can do except prepare for when it does stop which they are doing.

Welcome to the forum. If you have any more questions feel free to ask

Thanks for the Reply, Have they thought of extending the trains To Kirk Sandall? Could be good if the line if the line is going to be closed long term.

 

[bradders1983]

Thanks for the Reply, Have they thought of extending the trains To Kirk Sandall? Could be good if the line if the line is going to be closed long term.

I did ask this earlier in the thread (well, about extending the services up to Hatfield & Stainforth). Cant remember what page it is on but read back a bit.

EDIT - read from here - http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1374555#post1374555

 

[YorkshireBear]

Thanks for the Reply, Have they thought of extending the trains To Kirk Sandall? Could be good if the line if the line is going to be closed long term.

The track layout and signalling capabilities prevent it. Unfortunately. They may be considering it we are not aware of any plans though, I wouldnt expect your line to be open before the summer school holidays. This is a very serious landslide.

 

[D6975]

The track layout and signalling capabilities prevent it. Unfortunately. They may be considering it we are not aware of any plans though, I wouldnt expect your line to be open before the summer school holidays. This is a very serious landslide.

Turning trains round at Hatfield is possible though - I've seen it done.
Problem is the turnback point is only a few hundred yards from the slip, so they probably don't want ecs units moving around so near to an area where works are being carried out.

 

[Tomnick]

...and, as touched upon earlier in the thread, the signalling in the area has been lost as it was fed from Thorne Junction. Not sure whether that would also affect a turnback at Kirk Sandall though, if that move's normally possible.

 

[High Dyke]

Ironically the local commercial radio station was advising, on its travel news, that Northern hope to resume the normal service next Thursday... hock:

No wonder the travelling public get confused when they aren't given the correct information!

 

[455driver]

Im going for a October opening

Which October though?

 

[David]

Ironically the local commercial radio station was advising, on its travel news, that Northern hope to resume the normal service next Thursday... hock:

No wonder the travelling public get confused when they aren't given the correct information!

Which 1 was that then? Viking FM or Lincs FM?

 

[D6975]

...and, as touched upon earlier in the thread, the signalling in the area has been lost as it was fed from Thorne Junction. Not sure whether that would also affect a turnback at Kirk Sandall though, if that move's normally possible.

Good point, if the signalling's up the creek they'd have to instigate a manual token system. Kirk Sandall has the trackwork for a turnback, but possibly not the signalling. Wouldn't matter of course if they do manual token.

 

[Kirk Sandall]

Maybe it's time network rail installed a live webcam to see what the progress is like?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Kirk Sandall has the trackwork for a turnback, but possibly not the signalling.

Is that the new forum member...or the settlement...to which you refer..