WCML 87 bash! not 100% smooth ride!

[Tom]

Savers aren't valid Tom?

They are!! How on earth did you do the trip otherwise...

 

[Techniquest]

It wasn't a Y-P, he was on a child ticket WSX Fan, under "most" circumstances the RPI would have been correct (as the majority of (non railcard) adult/ child svr's are not valid peak time out of Euston) , but if you read the previous detailed posts explaining the possible "mis-print" regarding the ticket validities, it shows Mark has a case as according to that document, his ticket was valid. But unless you read the document (which the RPI, Colin Taylor didn't do) it would give the impression of not being valid. So it is not really as cut and dried as one may think on the surface - and Virgin may well have a case?

Thanks for clearing that up, didn't know precisely what was going on as I didn't see the ticket.

 

[Ascot]

simple case of going to www.thetrainline.co.uk and doing a Felixstowe to Rugby and lookin at the option. Then go through the fares manual and you will see it has nowt about Euston

 

[Nick W]

Savers arnt vaild on peak trains though.

Bull ****!

If I got a saver return to Glasgow from Felixstowe, as long as I left Ipswich at or after 0930 I would expect to be valid.

Are passengers meant to get off and wait in stations everytime it becomes peak, or does each ticket have its own conditions defined in a manual?

An RPI can't suddenly make up a rule saying a ticket is valid and fine everyone. If that was the case, no one would ever dream of going by train. I certainly wouldn't.

Mind, that sounds typical of the way things go in this day and age. Something is right one minute and isn't the next.

Absolutely, you can't even leave the house and walk to the shop these days.

 

[class 313]

Savers aren't valid Tom?

They are!! How on earth did you do the trip otherwise...

Get a standed ticket

 

[Ascot]

had a nice chat with them as well today: Italics are me

Good Morning Revenue Protection
yes good morning, i recently had a letter sent through about reference (number) saying i now own £15 for not paying within the 10 days even though i sent a letter?

oh yes sorry we did mis place the letter but we didn't have time to update our system before we found it again, sorry about this we will remove the £15 administration charge and it will be sent to our appeal (something)

oh right ok then thank-you very much anyway, have a nice day

you to bye bye.

 

[Techniquest]

Oh that's typical, lose the letter...Always send an e-mail back-up!

 

[yorkie]

This evening i got a letter from them saying they have popped the fare up to £36.25 because i haven't payed or anything. Well after sending a letter about 4 days after i had the fine sent recorded delivery and also they had receved the letter, they will be getting a lovely phone call from me during my brake time. I can very well see this going to court at this rate.

Go to court, you will win IMO (IANAL).

Fight the power!

Surely if a Saver fare is advertised as valid on any Virgin Trains service when holding a Y-P, and if it is advertised as a valid fare on the 1651, then they are surely in the wrong?

He became eligible for a Y-P today, but he was (just!) under 16 on the day he travelled.

Mind, that sounds typical of the way things go in this day and age. Something is right one minute and isn't the next.

It's typical of desperate ticket inspectors

I personally want to get the 87 in on the 1651 off Euston myself sometime, however if they're going to be kicking up a similar fuss to this if I board with a Saver, then it's not worth it!

rotest: Savers valid from Felixstowe to Rugby! rotest:

It's valid on some savers, but not others. You should be fine with a Y-P though.

Savers arnt vaild on peak trains though.

The restrictions on Savers are as quoted in the NFM. Such a blanket restriction as "Savers arnt vaild on peak trains" can never be applied, as the system does not work like that.

 

[Coxster]

It's typical of desperate ticket inspectors

Depends how you define "desperate gripper". You accused me and a guard of being "deperate" when disposing of a ticketless drunk

 

[class 313]

LMAO...!

I would define a "Desperate gripper" as a gripper that doesnt let anything slide

 

[yorkie]

Virgin may well have a case?

Virgin have no case. Ticket validities for Felixstowe to Rugby tickets are NOT set by Virgin, Virgin MUST honour the validity of the ticket. If they do not they are in breach of the NCoC, which is this case here.

Depends how you define "desperate gripper". You accused me and a guard of being "deperate" when disposing of a ticketless drunk

Nope, that's just being sensible. But yeah I did jokingly ask if you were "desperate" - which I can't imagine you being

 

[Nick W]

LMAO...!

I would define a "Desperate gripper" as a gripper that doesnt let anything slide

Or makes up the rules and tries to cheat people out of money.

 

[Techniquest]

There's a desperate gripper on the gates at Hereford too, everytime I see I want to deck him, but that's something I'll have to deal with somehow. Usually by flailing wildly at every opportunity, shouting 'HAULAGE!', 'HELLFIRE!' and 'MY LORDZ!' with every opportunity. Indeed, did so at Newport last night as 60062 came through on a steel run eastbound, the black clag and roar of the power unit roaring into life to acclerate away was absolutely incredible...Then of cours 43134 and 148 on the delayed 1904 off Newport (31 down in the end IIRC) sounded absolutely brilliant, a pair of Valentas, mmm...

We were talking about 87s and Virgin?

 

[class 313]

Yes we were

 

[devon_metro]

Get a standed ticket

Rob a bank

 

[metrocammel]

Go to court, you will win IMO (IANAL).

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Yes, but unless he manages to get some sort of free legal aid, it will cost much more than the price of paying the (unpaid) fare than bothering with the hassle of court. I know "they will win", if you backdown, but it is better than cutting your nose to spite your face....

 

[Mojo]

Not really, the small claims court is designed for representation, and this country's legal system works on "No Win No Fee" (although many firms insist on legal expenses insurance) if you decide you want to take it to County Court with a Solicitor.

 

[AlexS]

Guess it just pays to check before you travel! I did consider a Saver on this train months ago, but Virgin's booking service made it fairly clear that the ticket wasn't valid on the 1651.

Did the Joyrider get chinged?

 

[metrocammel]

Guess it just pays to check before you travel! I did consider a Saver on this train months ago, but Virgin's booking service made it fairly clear that the ticket wasn't valid on the 1651.

Did the Joyrider get chinged?

No, all savers (with railcards) are definately valid on the train.

and No, he didn't get chinged - the got a free ride back to London on it on the BTP's authorisation.

 

[Ascot]

Ok i'm either getting a reputation by some people of illegal tickets or people ent reading it. Soooo....

On the journey I was told by Colin Taylor that my ticket was not valid and given another excess of £21.25 ticket (copy attached). I explained that this is the ticket it came up on your website but Mr Taylor didn’t take my statement as true. I have since re-checked your website and found that the Saver Return ticket is available on the 16:51 to Rugby and starting at Felixstowe at 13:56 as planned. I then found on the National Rail website that fares manual with all the tickets in and found “travel from Kings Cross, London Paddington or St Pancras” no mention of Euston so 9A is disregarded. This is the opposite to what Mr Taylor said when he said that because I was on a Virgin train I take the Virgin conditions and that all Saver tickets are not valid on Virgin trains between the times given out of Euston. This goes against the website I got the times off where it has restrictions with Savers on the 14:27 from Rugby to Felixstowe but not on any shown on the times I seen between Felixstowe and Rugby direction.

i'll scan in the letter i get from then if they bother to get their pretty lil @rse's off their seat and post a letter saying yes it does say this however because we are Virgin, we own our Virgin Trains and we say "no do one cos we iz supa init" so pay us your fare plus god knows how many administration charges, recorded delivery costs and costs for us having to make tea to read your letter in the first place.

I love Virgin :love5:

 

[yorkie]

Guess it just pays to check before you travel! I did consider a Saver on this train months ago, but Virgin's booking service made it fairly clear that the ticket wasn't valid on the 1651.

Did the Joyrider get chinged?

You COULD have used ANY saver on this with your Y-P railcard!

However without a railcard, it is true that certain Savers are not valid on this train, but Virgin can only set the rules for tickets priced by them.

They must honour the conditions of tickets, whether the conditions are to their liking or not.

Contrary to popular belief, restrictions are not actually assigned to trains, but to the tickets.

So yes there are trains where SOME savers ARE valid, but some are NOT valid!

 

[yorkie]

Update:

ATOC have admitted that the Saver Restrictions are a mess, and are changing it with the next edition of the NFM (when is that, anyone?)

Until then, outward Savers from stations outside the Network area in 'one' territory (e.g. Felixstowe, Norwich etc) to stations on the WCML route, ARE valid at any time in the evening peak (including the 1651) and Virgin have been told NOT to excess people on such tickets, as they must honour the tickets (whether they like it or not).

So, grab this while you can as it won't be valid for long unfortunately!!!

 

[Techniquest]

Let me get something straight here. I've not checked this, but the following is/was a statement of intent for a proposed bash to include the 87 run:

Purchase of a Saver Return, with a Young Persons Railcard, from Birmingham New Street to London Terminals. Travel would probably be on the 1100 Birmingham New Street to London Euston service, returning on the 1651 London Euston to Birmingham New Street service.

However, fancy a Penalty Fare I do not. Please, someone confirm the above statement as a valid move.

 

[Tom]

You are valid AFAIK.

 

[Techniquest]

Good. Now all that remains is to see when/if I can do that bash...

 

[87015]

Purchase of a Saver Return, with a Young Persons Railcard, from Birmingham New Street to London Terminals. Travel would probably be on the 1100 Birmingham New Street to London Euston service, returning on the 1651 London Euston to Birmingham New Street service.

DEFINATELY valid, savers with a railcard valid on G21. Apparently in December evening peak saver restrictions are being relaxed - don't know the details.

 

[metrocammel]

Let me get something straight here. I've not checked this, but the following is/was a statement of intent for a proposed bash to include the 87 run:

Purchase of a Saver Return, with a Young Persons Railcard, from Birmingham New Street to London Terminals. Travel would probably be on the 1100 Birmingham New Street to London Euston service, returning on the 1651 London Euston to Birmingham New Street service.

However, fancy a Penalty Fare I do not. Please, someone confirm the above statement as a valid move.

Virgin dont issue penalty fares, only Silverlink out of Euston. But yep, you are 100% valid, unless the guard says otherwise ! And now, with the winter saver easement, you can be valid even if you lose your RCD!!

 

[Techniquest]

Can't get there for the bash anyway, working every weekday next week. Got the weekend off though, so a full-on, mental thrash around London will suffice!

 

[Craig]

Got the weekend off though, so a full-on, mental thrash around London will suffice!

I assume you'll be doing a few "hellfire bashes" round the Sutton loop on a 319 then?

Make sure you don't go to Kings Cross by accident though, you don't want to find yourself using GNER...

 

[Techniquest]

GNER? Don't start me off on them...Looked at a Kings Cross - Stevenage CDR, £7.25! Rip off!