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[MidnightFlyer]

So, tonight's big PL talking point is is Robin van Persie 'lucky to be alive'?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20833433

Quote Fergy - 'He should be banned for a long time because that was the most dangerous thing I've seen on a football field for many years.'

I assume that the 'many years' is since Roy Keane's act of thuggery on Alfe Inge Halaand, which I recall almost obliterated Halaand's knee?

 

[SS4]

Is SS4 going to be watching Match of The Day Tonight

Am I 'eck?! It's as likely as you not smoking for the rest of the year

So, tonight's big PL talking point is is Robin van Persie 'lucky to be alive'?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20833433

Quote Fergy - 'He should be banned for a long time because that was the most dangerous thing I've seen on a football field for many years.'

I assume that the 'many years' is since Roy Keane's act of thuggery on Alfe Inge Halaand, which I recall almost obliterated Halaand's knee?

It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, the FA do. Managers have been given touchline bans for less

 

[JoeH]

So, tonight's big PL talking point is is Robin van Persie 'lucky to be alive'?

Yes presumably this will be the big talking point here because the seven or eight refereeing decisions that went against United and in favour of City over the weekend don't fit in the usual United conspiracy theories.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

... And Grimsby Town's Blundell Park is less than a mile from Cleethorpes but 1.5 miles from Grimsby. What's your point?

Perhaps you did not fullly comprehend that he was trying to respond to the posting by Ferret who seems to feel that Manchester United are based in Salford...hock:

I suppose there are forum members on this thread have have a better grasp of geography than others.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Perhaps you did not fullly comprehend that he was trying to respond to the posting by Ferret who seems to feel that Manchester United are based in Salford...hock:

I suppose there are forum members on this thread have have a better grasp of geography than others.

No, richw provided some measurements I don't really see the point in, which in some way seemed to imply that because it was closer to Manchester, it is a Manchester team. The Grimsby example shows that it isn't always necessarily the case.

Oh, and as for RvP's potential death, nonsense from Fergie there.

 

[JoeH]

I note that three different excuses have been given for the kick of the ball to the head.

The BBC initially dismissed it as a 'clearance', even though the whistle went seconds earlier and Ashley Williams only moved to kick the ball after the whistle was blown and Robin Van Persie's head was presented as a target.

Immediately after the match Ashley Williams claimed in an interview with the BBC that he had kicked it "in frustration".

Later he tweeted that it was unintentional and that there had been an overreaction, which the media seems to have accepted at face value and agree with.

Surely his earlier admission that he had done it in frustration precludes him from claiming it was unintentional. How now can he avoid punishment from the FA and possibly action from the Police?

 

[balne-wonderer]

I note that three different excuses have been given for the kick of the ball to the head.

The BBC initially dismissed it as a 'clearance', even though the whistle went seconds earlier and Ashley Williams only moved to kick the ball after the whistle was blown and Robin Van Persie's head was presented as a target.

Immediately after the match Ashley Williams claimed in an interview with the BBC that he had kicked it "in frustration".

Later he tweeted that it was unintentional and that there had been an overreaction, which the media seems to have accepted at face value and agree with.

Surely his earlier admission that he had done it in frustration precludes him from
claiming it was unintentional. How now can he avoid punishment from the FA and possibly action from the Police?

I live in a dodgy area of Leeds so I've replaced the baseball bat under my bed with a football. that should see off any potential burglars!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Surely as such a lethal piece of equipment, footballs should be banned from football?

 

[balne-wonderer]

Perhaps you did not fullly comprehend that he was trying to respond to the posting by Ferret who seems to feel that Manchester United are based in Salford...hock:

I suppose there are forum members on this thread have have a better grasp of geography than others.

and is man utd in Manchester? no, no it isn't

 

[JoeH]

All the jokes about the dangers of a football are both massively overdone and very much out of touch with reality.

It's well known that even small impacts on the head like those from heading a ball can cause concussions and brain damage. It should come as no surprise to anyone that having a ball kicked in to the back of your head from a distance of a few cm can actually cause significant damage. The fact he immediately got to his feet in this instance is also totally irrelevant.

I can only imagine the reactions of some of the posters here had it been Wayne Rooney who had kicked a ball in to someone's head and admitted they did it "in frustration".

 

[balne-wonderer]

Yes presumably this will be the big talking point here because the seven or eight refereeing decisions that went against United and in favour of City over the weekend don't fit in the usual United conspiracy theories.

so you didn't see the joke corner that almost led to a man u goal? or the succession of awful fouls from scholes that earned just a token yellow card when he should easily have been off.
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All the jokes about the dangers of a football are both massively overdone and very much out of touch with reality.

It's well known that even small impacts on the head like those from heading a ball can cause concussions and brain damage. It should come as no surprise to anyone that having a ball kicked in to the back of your head from a distance of a few cm can actually cause significant damage. The fact he immediately got to his feet in this instance is also totally irrelevant.

I can only imagine the reactions of some of the posters here had it been Wayne Rooney who had kicked a ball in to someone's head and admitted they did it "in frustration".

you mean like the reaction when Rooney took James McCarthys head off with a shocking elbow and no action was taken. I'd much rather be clocked by a football than an elbow. wow man utd fans eh. whiter than white as normal.

 

[JoeH]

so you didn't see the joke corner that almost led to a man u goal? or the succession of awful fouls from scholes that earned just a token yellow card when he should easily have been off.

The corner was an incorrect decision but it didn't seem to come anywhere close to being a goal. Scholes was only on for a short time so I hardly think him still being on the pitch at the end seemed to matter.

There was a foul on van Persie in the build up to the Swansea goal, so it should not really have counted. Swansea players twice handled the ball in the penalty area (once saving a certain goal). Then there was the incident of van Persie and the apparent rule that if you kick the ball away after the whistle is blown you get a yellow and if you kick it in to someone's head after the whistle is blown you also get just a yellow. There was another foul not even shown on MOTD which could have very easily been a penalty in the closing minutes.

The result of the City match was also very much determined by at least one refereeing error.

you mean like the reaction when Rooney took James McCarthys head off with a shocking elbow and no action was taken. I'd much rather be clocked by a football than an elbow. wow man utd fans eh. whiter than white as normal.

The incident that was widely criticised at the time by everyone including United fans and is still being brought up years later by the likes of you? Remarkable that you would make a big deal about that after all this time but dismiss the van Persie thing as a joke.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I don't think the 'foul' on RvP for Swansea's goal was a direct reason - there was some 20 seconds and the entire length of the pitch covered between the 'foul' and the goal, which is more than enough opportunity to regain possession and stop the attack. If it has happened 25 yards out I might be able to understand it but as it was on the edge of Swansea's box I cannot.

I also think the 'handball' by the Swansea defender at the end would have been very, very harsh.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

I haven't seen the video, but any head injury such as this has the potential to be significant and requires proper investigation.

 

[JoeH]

I have absolutely no problem criticising United players when they do things wrong but the situation as it is now is that when United players do things wrong they are vilified but when other players do things wrong towards United players, United players are still vilified.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

and is man utd in Manchester? no, no it isn't

The point was originally made that Manchester United definitely play in Salford which was the point that had been made also incorrectly in the past by other contributors to this this thread, as you may recall from earlier threads over the past months on this thread.

It was that very specific point that was being addressed, not just a general locationary point. Once that point is accepted, the semantics of the matter can then be developed, but only when it is accepted by one and all that Manchester United do not pay any business rates to Salford City Council.

 

[JoeH]

Wasn't it only a week or two ago that Manchester United players were pelted with missiles while celebrating a goal (in front of their own fans) and one was left bleeding from the head?

What was the reaction to that? Well large numbers of people (and parts of the media) claimed that the players were celebrating in front of the City fans and so had it coming their way. Others pointed to incidents in the past where United fans had misbehaved.

The Daily Mail ran an article (written by a 'journalist' season ticket holder at City) which directly accused Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Young and Wayne Rooney of celebrating the winning goal in front of the City fans and inciting the subsequent violence. I did send them an email of complaint pointing out that there is video evidence that all ten outfield players were celebrating only in front of the United fans, and that the away section is very narrow so they were still able to be struck by missiles from adjacent home sections. I received a response from the paper standing by the article and with a rather aggressive statement from the journalist himself who claimed he had made no such claims. The claims really were unequivocal which is why I was surprised by the denial. Checking the article again I noticed they had now been removed. Of course I kept a copy of the original article.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I received a response from the paper standing by the article and with a rather aggressive statement from the journalist himself who claimed he had made no such claims. The claims really were unequivocal which is why I was surprised by the denial. Checking the article again I noticed they had now been removed. Of course I kept a copy of the original article.

You should send them a copy of their original article with the incorrect statement and say whilst you note what they said in their reply to you, ask them why the misleading information that is contained in the original article had subsequently been withdrawn.

 

[JoeH]

your last point is an incident that has been completey erased from man United's history.

That line really doesn't make any sense at all.

Why would that remain part of the long term 'history' of the club and what action have the club taken to erase it from history as you allege?

Despite Keane's obvious intentions I don't believe the foul itself actually caused any damage. Regardless I've never encountered a United fan who thought that incident was anything other than an assault or that Keane was justified in doing it. Whilst most United fans rightly see Keane as a legendary player and one of our greatest ever I don't think there's many who particularly like him on a personal level. His acrimonious departure and subsequent comments to the media account partially for that.

So what would be appropriate to keep it being erased from our history? Should we hold a minute's silence on the anniversary each year?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

That line really doesn't make any sense at all.

Why would that remain part of the long term 'history' of the club and what action have the club taken to erase it from history as you allege?

I think the problem here lies in the "long-term memory" of a certain forum member.

 

[Ferret]

and is man utd in Manchester? no, no it isn't

Haha, it's funny how Salford Scum fans seem to get all upset when their side is called by it's popular name outside of Old Trafford, yet most other fans can just brush it off!

 

[tigerroar]

All the jokes about the dangers of a football are both massively overdone and very much out of touch with reality.

It's well known that even small impacts on the head like those from heading a ball can cause concussions and brain damage. It should come as no surprise to anyone that having a ball kicked in to the back of your head from a distance of a few cm can actually cause significant damage. The fact he immediately got to his feet in this instance is also totally irrelevant.

I can only imagine the reactions of some of the posters here had it been Wayne Rooney who had kicked a ball in to someone's head and admitted they did it "in frustration".

We used to have a striker called Steve Portway, he was one of the best in non-league football at the time. He had the ball kicked at his head from close range like RvP and was blinded in one eye. Because of this I can understand Ferguson's anger.

 

[Oswyntail]

I note that three different excuses have been given for the kick of the ball to the head.

The BBC initially dismissed it as a 'clearance', even though the whistle went seconds earlier and Ashley Williams only moved to kick the ball after the whistle was blown and Robin Van Persie's head was presented as a target.

Immediately after the match Ashley Williams claimed in an interview with the BBC that he had kicked it "in frustration".

Later he tweeted that it was unintentional and that there had been an overreaction, which the media seems to have accepted at face value and agree with.

Surely his earlier admission that he had done it in frustration precludes him from claiming it was unintentional. How now can he avoid punishment from the FA and possibly action from the Police?

As a non-footballing neutral, who has, nevertheless, seen a clip of the incident, I would say that Williams' explanations are quite consistent. The whistle was blown and he kicked the ball away "in frustration", an "over-reaction" that merited a yellow card. He was just kicking the ball away, without thinking where (a common enough occurrence). Van Persie's head was not "presented as a target", but just happened to get in the way. This is what is often known as an "accident", quite different from the intentional thuggery of, say, the Keane incident. Ferguson should have said that it could have been serious, but, fortunately, it wasn't and accidents happen.

 

[CC 72100]

I note that three different excuses have been given for the kick of the ball to the head.

The BBC initially dismissed it as a 'clearance', even though the whistle went seconds earlier and Ashley Williams only moved to kick the ball after the whistle was blown and Robin Van Persie's head was presented as a target.

Immediately after the match Ashley Williams claimed in an interview with the BBC that he had kicked it "in frustration".

Later he tweeted that it was unintentional and that there had been an overreaction, which the media seems to have accepted at face value and agree with.

Surely his earlier admission that he had done it in frustration precludes him from claiming it was unintentional. How now can he avoid punishment from the FA and possibly action from the Police?

Now just imagine if this incident had been perpetrated by one of the following: Rooney, Suarez, Terry, Balotelli, Tevez?

Media witch-hunt most likely.

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My thoughts on the game: We didn't play that well, Rooney had a dire afternoon, we were unlucky to hit the post twice, Michael Oliver made a couple of strange decisions, but all of this was not helped by the persistent fouling from Swansea, who instead of playing this eloquent, beautiful football that everyone raves about, seemed intent on stopping play every couple of minutes with silly fouls, often leaving a foot in etc.

Van Persie was fouled in the lead up to Swansea's goal. I think they probably scored from their best opportunity, most of the rest of their shots were easy pickings for De Gea.

As for the City game: Barry's goal perfectly legit in my view. Shorey (who I understand had a poor game after coming on for the superb Ian Harte) was just standing there. Perfectly good goal in my view.

 

[Donny Dave]

That line really doesn't make any sense at all.

Why would that remain part of the long term 'history' of the club and what action have the club taken to erase it from history as you allege?

I think the problem here lies in the "long-term memory" of a certain forum member.

What do you expect coming from the most blinkered and bigoted football supporter on the forum? He has called in the past for everyone to be calm and understanding when it comes to Leeds United, yet spews bile when it comes to every other club he mentions. :roll:

According to him, Leeds United players and fans are whiter than white, and blood stains the hands of supporters and players of every other club.....

 

[SS4]

It sounds pretty clear to me that Ferguson is throwing his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way. He's acted like a toddler for decades and, frustratingly, continues to get away with it for reasons beyond my intellect.

Just a few weeks ago Paul Lambert got a one match touchline ban for stating that a dodgy Manchester City penalty was in fact dodgy - an opinion confirmed by pretty much everyone.

I have no idea why Sir Alex Ferguson (because you can get knighted for doing your job it seems) is a media darling, especially after he refused to talk to the BBC for years. How many other managers would get away with saying that refs favour the opposition before a game and not receive punishment?

IMO the bottom line is if Ferguson was at a different club or were he French then the punditry would be rightfully outraged.
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[Xenophon PCDGS]

Haha, it's funny how Salford Scum fans seem to get all upset when their side is called by it's popular name outside of Old Trafford, yet most other fans can just brush it off!

You have appeared to have missed reading my earlier posting about Salford City Reds RLFC as being the only professional "football" club who play in Salford and of the current desperate financial situation that they are in as a result of both the withdrawal of certain sponsorship finance and their move from their original home at The Willows to their new ground near to Barton Aerodrome. That move to this new ground saw them ground-share with Sale Sharks RUFC, who also have seen this move from Edgeley Park, where they ground-shared with Stockport County FC, as a very poor omen, as they too have a very poor league record in the Rugby Union Premiership, only winning one out of their first twelve league matches this season.

I have attended many matches at The Willows in my early days of the late 1950's/early 1960's onwards and can attest that Association Football was always viewed there in those long-off days as a "sport for lesser beings" by those who saw the Lancashire tradition of Rugby League as being somewhat sacrosanct.

The city of Salford is proud of its Rugby League heritage and rightly so and comments such as yours are seen as an insult to the name of this city, as you are bringing the matter of an Association Football club into an area where none exists. The fact that you say that what you describe as a "popular name" for an Association Football club from an area exterior to the city of Salford is somewhat connectional just shows the lack of geographical understanding of those who are unaware of the exact locations in the region being discussed, which does seem somewhat pitiful to observe when seen by residents of the said area.

You surely have seen many of my postings upon the Football thread which confirm my football alliance both league (Oldham Athletic...League 1) and non-league (Hyde...Conference Premiership), so I cannot be described (even under the most fanciful supposition) as having any connection whatsoever to Manchester United. It is just that I see such comments which bring the name of Salford into disrepute when used as a derogatory name, to be deeply offensive, for the reasons that I have stated above.

 

[richw]

So, tonight's big PL talking point is is Robin van Persie 'lucky to be alive'?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20833433

Quote Fergy - 'He should be banned for a long time because that was the most dangerous thing I've seen on a football field for many years.'

I assume that the 'many years' is since Roy Keane's act of thuggery on Alfe Inge Halaand, which I recall almost obliterated Halaand's knee?

And you have to mention a certain French mans attempts at Martial Arts.

 

[balne-wonderer]

What do you expect coming from the most blinkered and bigoted football supporter on the forum? He has called in the past for everyone to be calm and understanding when it comes to Leeds United, yet spews bile when it comes to every other club he mentions. :roll:

According to him, Leeds United players and fans are whiter than white, and blood stains the hands of supporters and players of every other club.....

Completley unfair and unjust. I was the first to condemn the disgraceful scenes at Sheffield Wednesday when a Leeds fan assualted Chris Kirkland. I went on to say that even with the Turkey stabbing chants it was no excuse for that fan to attach a goalkeeper.

Your comments are completley unjustifed and inaccurate. I have never said Leeds United or Leeds United fans are whiter than white. Your post is a deliberate attempt to imflame a situation. "According to him Leeds players are fans are whiter than white" Please back this up with posts or I will have to report you and your post to the moderating team.
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It sounds pretty clear to me that Ferguson is throwing his toys out of the pram because he didn't get his own way. He's acted like a toddler for decades and, frustratingly, continues to get away with it for reasons beyond my intellect.

Just a few weeks ago Paul Lambert got a one match touchline ban for stating that a dodgy Manchester City penalty was in fact dodgy - an opinion confirmed by pretty much everyone.

I have no idea why Sir Alex Ferguson (because you can get knighted for doing your job it seems) is a media darling, especially after he refused to talk to the BBC for years. How many other managers would get away with saying that refs favour the opposition before a game and not receive punishment?

IMO the bottom line is if Ferguson was at a different club or were he French then the punditry would be rightfully outraged.
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Meanwhile from reddit

Quite honestly i'm getting fed up of you claiming that Aston Villa are whiter than white

Alex Ferguson could get a ban for his comments, it's not the first time he's done it this season either. It will be very interesting to see how the FA deal with him and with Ashley Williams. Any kind of ban for Williams would be laughable and against FA rules but lets see if anything gets done.

With the Chelsea - Villa game, I know Torres has been out of form but trying to commit suicide like that by heading the football was going to far, he also accidently deflected the ball into the net.

Pray for RVP. Lets kick footballs out of football.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

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