The long-awaited direct rail link between Shropshire and London could be up-and-running by the end of the year as plans have now been submitted to the government, it was revealed today.
I am still confused as to what stock they are going to use to run this service? Re-introduce the 90+MK3?
If it is 11.33 then it is following the Glasgow, which makes sense as that is right away Warrington. Considering the next is the 11.40 Picc which is non stop Crewe, I can see this Shrewsbury doing MK only. Rugby may be tight with the 11.40 up it's backside. That puts it at Cov around 12.33ish which puts it behind the LM stopper into New St which would be an odd thing to do. If it goes non stop to Cov it may beat the Bomo - Man Picc XC and get infront. Will need to do some digging.
Wouldn't it be pulled off onto the Birmingham Line at Hillmorton Jct, thus making a call at Rugby entirely feasible and of no consequence to the Manchester via Crewe up its arse?
Wouldn't it be pulled off onto the Birmingham Line at Hillmorton Jct, thus making a call at Rugby entirely feasible and of no consequence to the Manchester via Crewe up its arse?
Wouldn't it just be an extension of the XX:22 (EUS) nb XX:47 (WVR) southbound, calling at WTJ, COV, BHI, SAD, meaning no more paths needed. As it stands this service is currently 221 formed on the 16:47 northbound departure.
Wouldn't it just be an extension of the XX:22 (EUS) nb XX:47 (WVR) southbound, calling at WTJ, COV, BHI, SAD, meaning no more paths needed. As it stands this service is currently 221 formed on the 16:47 northbound departure.
No - look overleaf, 1133 and 1837. Entirely new services.
What is the story with these paths in other hours? If they can depart Euston at 11/xx33 and 18/xx37 then surely other trains can depart in other hours? The 1837 perhaps not as peak, but what about 1033, 1233, 1333 etc... ?
Presumably formed by "undoubling" a doubled up Voyager set from Chester runs?
Is this the "tenth path" (rumoured for Liverpool or Blackpool, depending on who you believe)?
If it is 11.33 then it is following the Glasgow, which makes sense as that is right away Warrington. Considering the next is the 11.40 Picc which is non stop Crewe, I can see this Shrewsbury doing MK only. Rugby may be tight with the 11.40 up it's backside. That puts it at Cov around 12.33ish which puts it behind the LM stopper into New St which would be an odd thing to do. If it goes non stop to Cov it may beat the Bomo - Man Picc XC and get infront. Will need to do some digging.
The proposed route could be active from December 2013, and would cut journey times from Shrewsbury to London Euston and vice versa down to only 2 hours 12 minutes. Virgin Trains have proposed a running both a Monday to Saturday service, and a Sunday service.
Mondays to Saturdays an early morning and mid-afternoon departure from Shrewsbury are part of the plans, while trains leaving London are planned for late morning and early evening. On Sundays there would only be one departure from Shrewsbury and one departure from London Euston, at as-yet unspecified times. The proposed services will call at Wellington, Telford Central, Stafford and Rugby.
This Shropshire Council press release states via Stafford and Rugby. Would be an odd mistake to make so I assume it's correct but perhaps calls at Wolverhampton too (where the train would reverse!?).
This Shropshire Council press release states via Stafford and Rugby. Would be an odd mistake to make so I assume it's correct but perhaps calls at Wolverhampton too (where the train would reverse!?). If it is via Stafford, it means Route Birmingham tickets would not allow use on both direct and indirect services via Brum.
http://shropshire.gov.uk/news/2013/02/virgin-trains-submit-plans-for-direct-shrewsbury-london-service/
No, the turn-out at Rugby is only 40mph for the Down Coventry (?) line and can chew up the headway. Whereas flying through the turnout is at 100 something, 105 I think? Plus the turnout is protected, with signals spaced for 125mph. It's a long section. And obviously MK poses no problem as its 125 straight through.
For comparison, the xx03 calling at Rugby will often cause the xx07 behind it to get checked south of Rugby. This would be exacerbated by the xx33 in this case being a 221, from memory it takes 3 mins longer than a 390 to do London - Rugby. So you have the same situation.
I hope there are plenty of through passengers from Shropshire - London, because from that calling pattern that is just about the only place anybody would want to go to.
Pumbaa, your information is complete rubbish as usual !
Rugby down fast to platform 1 is 60mph.
Rugby platform 1 to down Coventry is 75mph.
Rugby down fast to down Coventry is 125mph EPS. 100mph PS.
This Shropshire Council press release states via Stafford and Rugby. Would be an odd mistake to make so I assume it's correct but perhaps calls at Wolverhampton too (where the train would reverse!?). If it is via Stafford, it means Route Birmingham tickets would not allow use on both direct and indirect services via Brum.
http://shropshire.gov.uk/news/2013/02/virgin-trains-submit-plans-for-direct-shrewsbury-london-service/
He may have the speeds wrong, but the fact still remains that the turn out to platform 1 is hideously approach controlled and will knock the stuffing out of any train. Platform 2 is no better unless the forward route is set towards Brinklow as the approach then gets flashing yellows, if not, the same applies.
http://goo.gl/maps/WFe8x
As can be seen here, there is a chord between the line to Shrewsbury and the line to Stafford, mostly used by things coming out of Oxley, that avoids Wolverhampton, so I assume this will be used.
The only passenger use it sees is the odd diversion or special. Speed is 15mph end to end both ways and believe me you wouldn't want to go much faster.What uses it coming out of Oxley? There's no OHL on the chord. As far as I know it was/is just there for the merry go round coal traffic to Ironbridge.
It may be, but to my eye it doesn't look like it's up to taking passenger trains.
What uses it coming out of Oxley? There's no OHL on the chord. As far as I know it was/is just there for the merry go round coal traffic to Ironbridge.
It may be, but to my eye it doesn't look like it's up to taking passenger trains.
The only passenger use it sees is the odd diversion or special. Speed is 15mph end to end both ways and believe me you wouldn't want to go much faster.
As you are probably aware the 'standard' does not allow for multiple routes from a flashing yellow sequence unless preliminary route indicators (PRI's) are used. Since the down fast approach to Rugby already has a PRI relevant to Rugby Trent Valley Junction the approach controlled signal sequence to platform one remains.
Now IMHO (from a drivers point of view) the flashing yellow sequence would be better utilized if it applied to platform one and the approach control was used for plarform two.