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Landslip at Hatfield Colliery (near Doncaster) line to Hull/Scunthorpe now reopened.
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DarloRich
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An interesting briefing.
It means 16-18 weeks to recover the whole job, of which 3 weeks will be needed to rebuild the physical railway.
(The blokes who fix the tack are not complete Muppets - despite what most people seem to think
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222meridianfan
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Ok ive seen the picture taken back in 2008 and theres no slagheap.
What if the colliery put another slag heap there once all of this is sorted, i will be very interested to see what lessons have been learnt from this.
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Im hoping they dont put another heap of katie prices there as it will happen again
What if the colliery put another slag heap there once all of this is sorted, i will be very interested to see what lessons have been learnt from this.
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Im hoping they dont put another heap of katie prices there as it will happen again
YorkshireBear
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An interesting briefing.
It means 16-18 weeks to recover the whole job, of which 3 weeks will be needed to rebuild the physical railway.
(The blokes who fix the tack are not complete Muppets - despite what most people seem to think
It was like 1:30 :P I now see that is what he meant
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Colliery closes this year anyway. No future slag heap. It may be likely the fines from this will shut the colliery early.
D1009
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An interesting point, in BR days there was no monetary value put on delay minutes.
Boothby97
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Had my worse rail journey yesterday, and I'm gonna complain
Headed home from the GCR gala yesterday to Cleethorpes. Loughborough to Sheffield journey was fine, had 20 minutes to spare at Sheffield to await my train. Saw a TPX service to Doncaster but that was full and standing and I had no chance to get on it. I was on Platform 1, the 1918 to Leeds leaves on time, then a 142 shunts across at 1927 so we all jump on but then the conductor announces that this is the 1936 to Huddersfield so most people get off and look very annoyed. That leaves at about 1936 and I get talking to a bloke heading from the south west to Grimsby and a pair of conductors. They make some phone calls and find that our unit is due in, it was waiting for the Huddersfield service to go.
It finally arrives and we leave 15 mins late at 1940 and as its a 144, all stops we don't make much time up. We get to Doncaster approx 15 mins late and head to the bus station with no bus sat there. We ask the bus steward what time the next bus is to Scunthorpe, 2130. And they couldn't hold the bus due to an issue over drivers, its ONLY 10 MINS!
Finally get back to Cleethorpes at 2315 (1 hour and 15 mins later than planned)
I know that the landslide can't be helped, but words come in to mind such as coordination, connection and common sense.
Northern and TPE need to get there act together, things like this wont keep a good reputation for the railways. The only people of any use was the conductor and fellow member of staff (with an RMT tie) who were involved with the 1925 Sheffield-Doncaster and the fellow travellers who missed the coach at Doncaster.
Thanks, Sam
Headed home from the GCR gala yesterday to Cleethorpes. Loughborough to Sheffield journey was fine, had 20 minutes to spare at Sheffield to await my train. Saw a TPX service to Doncaster but that was full and standing and I had no chance to get on it. I was on Platform 1, the 1918 to Leeds leaves on time, then a 142 shunts across at 1927 so we all jump on but then the conductor announces that this is the 1936 to Huddersfield so most people get off and look very annoyed. That leaves at about 1936 and I get talking to a bloke heading from the south west to Grimsby and a pair of conductors. They make some phone calls and find that our unit is due in, it was waiting for the Huddersfield service to go.
It finally arrives and we leave 15 mins late at 1940 and as its a 144, all stops we don't make much time up. We get to Doncaster approx 15 mins late and head to the bus station with no bus sat there. We ask the bus steward what time the next bus is to Scunthorpe, 2130. And they couldn't hold the bus due to an issue over drivers, its ONLY 10 MINS!
Finally get back to Cleethorpes at 2315 (1 hour and 15 mins later than planned)
I know that the landslide can't be helped, but words come in to mind such as coordination, connection and common sense.
Northern and TPE need to get there act together, things like this wont keep a good reputation for the railways. The only people of any use was the conductor and fellow member of staff (with an RMT tie) who were involved with the 1925 Sheffield-Doncaster and the fellow travellers who missed the coach at Doncaster.
Thanks, Sam
Philip Elliott
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Why are people quoting Hargreaves? They own Maltby. Hatfield is Powerfuel PLC.
DarloRich
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what on earth are you wibbling on about? That a bus wasn't held for your convenience? :roll:
it isn't a conspiracy against you. The train was late and the bus had to go for the benefit of the majority. Now if it were the last one i could understand it being held.
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Boothby97
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It wasn't just for my benefit but the train and bus are supposed to connect
Xenophon PCDGS
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Powerfuel PLC have been the mine operators since 2006.
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So looking at the timetable you arrive in Sheffield at 18-59 and next train to Doncaster is TPE Manchester to Doncaster at 19-11, may be it was full but there was only you and did you have any luggage then with you then ?
I am sure I would have found room for myself on it knowing that if trains get late connections might not be made and it was only stopping at Meadowhall and I bet more got on there to go to Doncater. So you end up 15 mins late at Doncaster and arrive at 2017 , 2 mins after coach left. Unless someone communicates with the bus co-ordinators in the bus station they don,t know the trains late arriveing, they can,t hold the coach unless someone authorises it from contol. Delaying a coach can then cause a knock on effect for train connections at Scunthorpe for the passengers all ready on the coach wanting to go to Cleethorpes as they might miss there train as the train will not wait unless authorised by TPE control ( the bus co-ordinators have no authority to hold thr train for late running coaches)
Also a late running coach to Scunthorpe then could mean a return trip been late leaving Scunthorpe due to the coach drivers breaks starting later than was in the plan for the coach running for the day and the knock on effect the passengers from Scunthorpe back to Doncaster missing there connection.
Its all not done just to upset one or two people, you have to look at the big picture of the coach plans for the day and been in the right places at the right times so that the most people get there connections on time etc.
Next time get on the one stop train instead of all stops one is my suggestion and then you would have been there on time for you connection.
Powerfuel PLC have been the mine operators since 2006.
Why are people quoting Hargreaves? They own Maltby. Hatfield is Powerfuel PLC.
Because Powerfuel PLC went into administration in 2010
Powerfuel Mining Ltd operated Hadfield Colliery.
Powerfuel Power Ltd was going to build a CCS power stationt on the site of the landslip.
Both were owned by Powerfuel PLC.
The CCS project went to 2Co who announced "Work to prepare the Don Valley site for the removal of several million tonnes of spoil from neighbouring Hatfield Colliery will start in November 2012"
Powerfuel Mining Ltd was transferred to a Dutch bank who called it Hadfield Colliery Ltd.
Hargreaves Services PLC won the contract to manage the coal extraction and distribution.
Why are people quoting Hargreaves? They own Maltby. Hatfield is Powerfuel PLC.
Because Powerfuel PLC went into administration in 2010
Powerfuel Mining Ltd operated Hadfield Colliery.
Powerfuel Power Ltd was going to build a CCS power stationt on the site of the landslip.
Both were owned by Powerfuel PLC.
The CCS project went to 2Co who announced "Work to prepare the Don Valley site for the removal of several million tonnes of spoil from neighbouring Hatfield Colliery will start in November 2012"
Powerfuel Mining Ltd was transferred to a Dutch bank who called it Hadfield Colliery Ltd.
Hargreaves Services PLC won the contract to manage the coal extraction and distribution.
basfordlad
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It was like 1:30 :P I now see that is what he meant
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Colliery closes this year anyway. No future slag heap. It may be likely the fines from this will shut the colliery early.
What fires are these then?
You may be getting confused with daw mill
Meridian richard
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Could you not have caught the 1944 Sheffield to Beverley service once you discovered that the 1925 was late. This would've overtook the late service at Masborough. This is booked to get into Doncaster at 2012 but often arrives a few minutes early when I've caught it.
Boothby97
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Your point about the TPX service lincolnshire, I did have luggage but it was full and standing due to a football match (don't have a clue who it was between)
Your point meridian Richard, by that point I was talking to Northern staff and they did not mention another service and I'm sure I didn't see it appear on the boards/the National Rail app. And I'm not saying that service does not run as I've just found it.
I do agree with points that you have made about the bigger picture. I've realised that nothing will happen if I complain. With the Nottingham blockade in the summer, if Hatfield isn't reopened by August then the railways in north east lincs are going to be heavily disrupted.
Thanks, Sam
Your point meridian Richard, by that point I was talking to Northern staff and they did not mention another service and I'm sure I didn't see it appear on the boards/the National Rail app. And I'm not saying that service does not run as I've just found it.
I do agree with points that you have made about the bigger picture. I've realised that nothing will happen if I complain. With the Nottingham blockade in the summer, if Hatfield isn't reopened by August then the railways in north east lincs are going to be heavily disrupted.
Thanks, Sam
Donny Dave
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OT: Loving how this forum's spellchecker automatically changes G o o l e to Google
Probably programmed into the forum. G***e is an obscene word anyway :P
Zoidberg
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OT: Loving how this forum's spellchecker automatically changes G o o l e to Google
The forum's spell-checker, or the dictionary used with the browser?
I just typed Goole and it was accepted (Firefox)
Beveridges
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OT: Loving how this forum's spellchecker automatically changes G o o l e to Google
I'm suprised the language filter does not filter out the word Scunthorpe when you look what the 2nd to 5th letters are saying.
Nym
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Boothby97
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There's been a unit swap (yesterday). Can't get times of SHF-CLE
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O65456/2013/03/02/advanced
185123 and 185124 now stabled on the station
Thanks, Sam
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O65456/2013/03/02/advanced
185123 and 185124 now stabled on the station
Thanks, Sam
YorkshireRider
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YB said fines not fires
Xenophon PCDGS
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I quoted the date of 2006 solely to confirm that was the year that Powerfuel PLC first took over, When Powerfuel PLC experienced the difficlties in 2010, KPMG were at that point in time appointed as Administrators.
eastwestdivide
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I took a look at the landslip (from the bridleway lane overbridge at the E end) on Friday 1st, and there was assorted activity:
a dozer was moving some material from the heap, near that corrugated arch overbridge area normally visible from the line;
some lineside trees on the N side of the landslip had been felled;
the arm of something like an excavator was visible on the S side of the line, the station end of the landslip - couldn't see all of it as it was hidden from view by the tangled heap of rails;
and some piece of on-track plant was on the track near Thorne Junctions.
Also, in the station area, an excavator on a rail trolley, with staff attending to it.
a dozer was moving some material from the heap, near that corrugated arch overbridge area normally visible from the line;
some lineside trees on the N side of the landslip had been felled;
the arm of something like an excavator was visible on the S side of the line, the station end of the landslip - couldn't see all of it as it was hidden from view by the tangled heap of rails;
and some piece of on-track plant was on the track near Thorne Junctions.
Also, in the station area, an excavator on a rail trolley, with staff attending to it.
Ploughman
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http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/V...tory-18288622-detail/story.html#axzz2LxAV2Mfe
Watching that video I was really impressed with the presentation technique.
I could not find a SINGLE fault with the way he got the message across.
Watching that video I was really impressed with the presentation technique.
I could not find a SINGLE fault with the way he got the message across.
DarloRich
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Not sure how you make that leap from this quote in the article you linked:
"So far there has been excellent collaboration between Hatfield Colliery, Hargreaves [the colliery owners] and Network Rail to find a solution to this problem as quickly as possible.
Widnes Planner
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I suspect Sidious is querying Philip Elliot's assertion that Hargreaves don't own Hatfield, rather than bad-mouthing Network Rail. I will grant that the choice of wording is a little ambiguous though...
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In what way are you not sure? A NR spokesman is stating that they are coordinating with Hargreaves the colliery owners. What is unclear, or am I missing something?
Zoidberg
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In the context of Philip Elliott's post quoted by Sidious, I think that the "they" in Sidious' post is meant to refer to Hargreaves, rather than Network Rail, owning it.
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