stored multiple units

[34D]

Hello,

Am I correct in thinking that the only 'stored' 'off lease' or 'withdrawn' DMU or EMU are the class 317/7 (ex NXEA) and class 508 (long term stored ex Merseyrail, and more recently ex London Overground and ex SouthEastern class 508? No 153 etc in store any more?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

There is (was?) a good few 508s stored down at Eastleigh yes, but most of them are beyond repair from what I can gather.

 

[swt_passenger]

Hello,

Am I correct in thinking that the only 'stored' 'off lease' or 'withdrawn' DMU or EMU are the class 317/7 (ex NXEA) and class 508 (long term stored ex Merseyrail, and more recently ex London Overground and ex SouthEastern class 508? No 153 etc in store any more?

I really wouldn't bother worrying about the 508s. Did you not see this reply:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1565873&postcount=202

 

[Eagle]

There is (was?) a good few 508s stored down at Eastleigh yes, but most of them are beyond repair from what I can gather.

"Beyond repair" being a euphemism for "in lots of tiny bits".

The 508s are currently being binned, and there's only a few left to go.

 

[34D]

Thank you guys. What about the ex Silverlink class 508/3 units?

Also what of the long term stored Merseyrail units, do any of them still exist?

 

[D365]

Thank you guys. What about the ex Silverlink class 508/3 units?

Also what of the long term stored Merseyrail units, do any of them still exist?

If you want to want to know more about the (mostly scrapped) 508s/2-3s, I suggest you digest this thread. The specific post I linked details the scrap dates for the scrapped carriages as of 06/09/13. None were/are in particularly great quality unlike the 317/7s which are in warm storage (and 317722 which is being rebuilt), serviceable and (almost) ready for service.

This is the situation on the 12 ex-SE 508/2s and the 3 ex-Watford 508/3s, surmised by that which is Wikipedia. There never were any units stored specifically for return to Merseyrail, just a few which were towed to Liverpool and denied, because of the investment required to bring them up to scratch. In any case the Merseyrail fleet should be replaced by the end of the decade..!

 

[34D]

There were a couple of class 508s (that had never operated with SET) stored in the 1990s, at Birkenhead I believe. That was what I meant, rather than recent return attempts.

Surprised the three LO units have been scrapped, but cest la vie. Thank you

 

[breadfan]

There's an EMU diving car in Great Eastern livery which is visible from Doncaster station. I don't know its identity but it's not run in a long while, I'm guessing.

 

[nxea321446]

the driving car at doncaster is a spare class 321 carriage built after the watford junction rail crash in the late 1990's it was moved over from crewe works to doncaster when the greater anglia 321's were being repainted

 

[D365]

Oh, if we're talking individually, 365526. Unit involved in Potters Bar. Was languishing in Doncaster when the photo below was taken, beyond repair now.

 

[jamesst]

There were a couple of class 508s (that had never operated with SET) stored in the 1990s, at Birkenhead I believe. That was what I meant, rather than recent return attempts.

Surprised the three LO units have been scrapped, but cest la vie. Thank you

The 507/508s that were stored on the Merseyrail network were all brought back into use after the last refurbishment.

 

[northwichcat]

Virgin also have the driving cars of a Voyager in warm storage, with the centre carriages having being used to lengthen 4 car sets to 5 car sets.

Chiltern also have a class 121 in storage which has had parts raided from it.

 

[D365]

Virgin also have the driving cars of a Voyager in warm storage, with the centre carriages having being used to lengthen 4 car sets to 5 car sets.

221144 - used for training at Central Rivers. [The video was linked in jest, presumably that was some sort of open day.]

Chiltern also have a class 121 in storage which has had parts raided from it.

121032 - purchased from ATW recently.

 

[northwichcat]

221144 - used for training at Central Rivers.

He looks a bit young to be driving a train to me.

 

[455driver]

He looks a bit young to be driving a train to me.

Contract training for DCR!

 

[Boothby97]

Oh, if we're talking individually, 365526. Unit involved in Potters Bar. Languishing in Doncaster, pretty much a shell beyond repair now. Photos have been posted if anyone is interested.

365526 isn't at Doncaster. One coach is at Hornsey (65919), the other two coaches were moved to RAF Spadeadam, Cumbria (65960 and 72291) last year.

There are also two 121s at Cardiff Canton (960302/303)

 

[34D]

So in terms of stored/off lease stock that is theoretically of use, we just have the class 317/7 (and we don't know what they're like, after 2 years deterioration).

Nothing else at all?

 

[swt_passenger]

So in terms of stored/off lease stock that is theoretically of use, we just have the class 317/7 (and we don't know what they're like, after 2 years deterioration).

We don't know, do we.

For all the regular comments and suggestions that they are in 'warm store'; they look to me as though they are sitting in Eastleigh works sidings just like the 508s did...

Is 'warm store' defined anyway? I reckon it suggests regular movement under power, continuous electrical supply, maybe even indoor stabling. If you were to say Eastleigh provided 'secure storage' eg against graffiti and vandalism, that might be a better term...

 

[northwichcat]

Is 'warm store' defined anyway? I reckon it suggests regular movement under power, continuous electrical supply, maybe even indoor stabling. If you were to say Eastleigh provided 'secure storage' eg against graffiti and vandalism, that might be a better term...

When Northern put 142s in to 'warm store' at Blackpool sidings it meant they got covered in seagull droppings.

 

[headshot119]

221144 - used for training at Central Rivers. [The video was linked in jest, presumably that was some sort of open day.]



121032 - purchased from ATW recently.

I don't think it's 121032 that has had parts taken from it, Chiltern paid for it to have a new fluid fly wheel fitted.

Isn't it the maroon one they are using for spares?

 

[noddingdonkey]

Is it Newton Heath that has the undamaged vehicles of a 142 and a 144 that were both involved in accidents? I think I've seen pictures of them coupled up just to shunt them around the depot, but the lack of a bog means it can't really be used in service.

 

[Boothby97]

I don't think it's 121032 that has had parts taken from it, Chiltern paid for it to have a new fluid fly wheel fitted.

Isn't it the maroon one they are using for spares?

There's 55024 (960010) in Maroon, and 960011 in Railtrack livery, at Tyseley

 

[A0]

Is it Newton Heath that has the undamaged vehicles of a 142 and a 144 that were both involved in accidents? I think I've seen pictures of them coupled up just to shunt them around the depot, but the lack of a bog means it can't really be used in service.

The lack of a bog shouldn't preclude their use in service - there's no shortage of other rolling stock in that position - any of the 'PEP' EMUs for starters.

 

[D365]

The lack of a bog shouldn't preclude their use in service - there's no shortage of other rolling stock in that position - any of the 'PEP' EMUs for starters.

But if the hybrid ends up being put on a long-distance service...

 

[theblackwatch]

There is no mixed 142/144 at Newton Heath (or any other depot). There was talk, about 20 years ago, of making a hybrid 141/142 using two halves of damaged units - both were ultimately scrapped.

 

[northwichcat]

The lack of a bog shouldn't preclude their use in service - there's no shortage of other rolling stock in that position - any of the 'PEP' EMUs for starters.

But if the hybrid ends up being put on a long-distance service...

Note that the toilet-less EMUs are mainly used on frequent services on lines where the main stations have passenger toilets.

If you want to introduce a train every 15-20 minutes on the Mid-Cheshire line and new station toilets at Delamere, Greenbank, Northwich, Knutsford and Hale (I believe Altrincham Interchange is getting toilets already) then I'd be happy with the trains used on the line not having toilets fitted. However, I think toilets on the train and a less frequent service would be cheaper.

 

[theblackwatch]

But if the hybrid ends up being put on a long-distance service...

Northern Spirit managed perfectly well when they had a hybrid 156 (formed of 57468+57490, neither with a toilet) which was dedicated to the Adwick shuttle.

 

[D365]

Northern Spirit managed perfectly well when they had a hybrid 156 (formed of 57468+57490, neither with a toilet) which was dedicated to the Adwick shuttle.

I'm meaning if it accidentally runs astray from the allocated route..!

 

[50047]

We don't know, do we.

For all the regular comments and suggestions that they are in 'warm store'; they look to me as though they are sitting in Eastleigh works sidings just like the 508s did...

Is 'warm store' defined anyway? I reckon it suggests regular movement under power, continuous electrical supply, maybe even indoor stabling. If you were to say Eastleigh provided 'secure storage' eg against graffiti and vandalism, that might be a better term...

Warm store is exactly what you say here, other than the indoor stabling. The units could be stored undercover but if at no time powered, would be in cold storage. Right now the 317/7s at Eastleigh are in cold store. Which means preventative maintenance only, and that is very basic indeed.

 

[swt_passenger]

Thanks for confirming that. I've had doubts about the situation for quite a while, as 'warm store at Eastleigh' seems to have gained a life of its own amongst some enthusiasts, it seems to me a way of implying the 317/7s are ready to go at any time, but presumably like any pure AC units put there they would need a cabled shore supply.

I could understand the odd DC unit being successfully 'kept alive' though....