May 2014 timetable changes

[The Planner]

Unless things have suddenly changed in the last few days there won't be Virgins to Blackpool.

 

[LeylandLen]

It appears that the 2250 Euston to Man Pic will no longer be running after the May timetable change..

 

[SprinterMan]

Unless things have suddenly changed in the last few days there won't be Virgins to Blackpool.

I wonder why the ECS movements are in the system then, hopefully BPN does get it's London service

It appears that the 2250 Euston to Man Pic will no longer be running after the May timetable change..

It does certainly appear that way, hopefully it is a clerical error as opposed to the train being withdrawn.

Adam

 

[darloscott]

1941 Carlisle-Newcastle and 2118 Newcastle-Middlesbrough now linked into one service too, an interesting change.

Also, a new TPE for Middlesbrough is the 0631 to Liverpool, giving 3 peak services to Leeds and Manchester

 

[The Planner]

I wonder why the ECS movements are in the system then, hopefully BPN does get it's London service

Probably becuase someone has been a donut and not killed off the associated ECS path from the rejected main runs. I suspect they will just stay on the graph and never run.

 

[Marton]

At almost four and a half hours for the end-to-end journey; if it's ever substituted by a Pacer, I feel sorry for whoever travels on it!

In 1992 the 0615 Barrow departure was to Sunderland.

Stopped everywhere except Blaydon Dunston Brockley Whins, East Boldon, and Seaburn. The last 3 are now no longer open.




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[175001]

Man Vic looks a whole lot different!

Interesting to see some of the one off services such as a Todmorden-Clitheroe via Victoria (picks up the current 1623 path)!

And Moston it getting a raw deal with its 1st train from Vic not until 7.30am-ish.

Not been a substantial TT change at Vic since I started 4 years ago as a guard, so this change will be interesting!

 

[transmanche]

The last 3 are now no longer open.

Still open, they just happen to be served by T&W Metro trains instead of NR trains.

 

[adrock1976]

I have noticed a few services on the Ayrshire route with abnormal origin points compared with the present timetable.

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G50292/2014-05-19

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G50288/2014-05-19

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G55008/2014-05-19

Could this be a precursor to a future type of Glasgow Crossrail service? (In my dreams )

 

[northernchris]

Man Vic looks a whole lot different!

Interesting to see some of the one off services such as a Todmorden-Clitheroe via Victoria (picks up the current 1623 path)!

And Moston it getting a raw deal with its 1st train from Vic not until 7.30am-ish.

Not been a substantial TT change at Vic since I started 4 years ago as a guard, so this change will be interesting!

It looks like the Manchester Victoria - Selby service is getting split at Leeds so will be interesting to see where the units come from for the Leeds - Selby section. The Leeds - Brighouse - Victoria services appear to be linked in to the Leeds - Victoria via Bradford services so that could lead to better use of stock. One thing, however, is some turnarounds look to be tight so performance could drop

 

[PHILIPE]

I have noticed a few services on the Ayrshire route with abnormal origin points compared with the present timetable.

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G50292/2014-05-19

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G50288/2014-05-19

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/G55008/2014-05-19

Could this be a precursor to a future type of Glasgow Crossrail service? (In my dreams )

I should think they will be 380s off North Berwicks finding another way to change over

 

[Condor7]

It looks like the Manchester Victoria - Selby service is getting split at Leeds so will be interesting to see where the units come from for the Leeds - Selby section.

What do you mean by "split at Leeds"?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

And Moston it getting a raw deal with its 1st train from Vic not until 7.30am-ish.

Would there be more of an inward Moston to Manchester Victoria demand at that time of the morning ?

 

[Philip]

The 17:30 Manchester Piccadilly to Cardiff isn't shown, neither is the 19:30 departure from Manchester. The 07:56 Manchester Airport to Blackpool North isn't in the system either - perhaps they've just not finalised the timings for these services? Slightly surprised to see the 19:00 from Manchester Airport continuing as a Barrow service, thought this would run to Glasgow from May! There seem to be four 350s diagrammed to work to Scotland in the evening and stay there overnight, but five diagrammed start off in Scotland and work to Manchester in the morning?

It's a pity the Atherton line has lost it's direct hourly to Stalybridge, though I guess this is to accommodate the TPE service.

 

[YorkshireBear]

What do you mean by "split at Leeds"?

It is no longer a Selby-Manchester Victoria service just a Leeds-Man Vic service and Leeds-Selby service.

 

[dk1]

Is this an extension of the Cambridge - Norwich?
I wonder why Audley End is so well served. I saw something once about an age-old agreement to stop everything there, but surely must be rubbish like the Stockport viaduct thing.

Not enough diesel units available to extend the Norwich. There are still plans to do it at a later date & this secures paths.
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The Summer Saturday Great Yarmouth drags are in the system again, although they are only running July/August this year instead of the June/July/August of previous years:

1V18 1000 London Liverpool Street to Great Yarmouth
1V33 1035 Great Yarmouth to London Liverpool Street
1V28 1230 London Liverpool Street to Great Yarmouth
1V43 1310 Great Yarmouth to London Liverpool Street



Adam

Never understood why they did run the entire length of the Summer timetable. Anglia Railways never did. They certainly are not needed as loadings especially on the 12.30 ex-Liverpool St beyond Norwich which has a very rubbish path are very poor indeed outside school holidays.

 

[175001]

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It's a pity the Atherton line has lost it's direct hourly to Stalybridge, though I guess this is to accommodate the TPE service.

Indeed its such a shame. TfGM said the biggest flow through to Staylbridge was off the Atherton line too!

But once again...we're at the mercy of TPE, as always.
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Would there be more of an inward Moston to Manchester Victoria demand at that time of the morning ?

Its surprising the amount who alight off the 0617 ex-MCV at Moston, probably a few who have been on night shifts etc.

 

[northwichcat]

Indeed its such a shame. TfGM said the biggest flow through to Staylbridge was off the Atherton line too!

But once again...we're at the mercy of TPE, as always.

It's actually DfT who wanted the new Liverpool-Newcastle service in a sub-3 hour journey time. Before the electrification announcement the plan was to run a Manchester Piccadilly-York service in the current Manchester-Hull path to give a service every 15 minutes between Manchester/Huddersfield and York with Manchester-Hull being put in where it fitted off-pattern.

It was also TfGM who pushed for Stalybridge electrification to be included in the North West electrification program who must have realised that if it went ahead that the viability of running a Atherton-Stalybridge service would change. It was also TfGM who pushed TPE to stop 2 trains per hour at Stalybridge from May 2014 - which previously planned for after the Ordsall Chord opened and that has affected timings of other services from May.

 

[Eagle]

James Cook Hospital on the Middlesbrough-Nunthorpe line is also shown as its Tiploc code JAMCOK.

According to the NRT this station is expected to open during the current timetable, provisionally March 24.

 

[43074]

Not enough diesel units available to extend the Norwich. There are still plans to do it at a later date & this secures paths.

Although I notice that the trains don't actually connect into the GA Norwich service (although the XC service does reasonably well), so I assume that when the Norwich - Cambridge services are extended to Stansted the GA services will run in a new path between Norwich and Cambridge if this ''secures paths'' South of Cambridge.

Any timescale for Norwich to Stansted services?

 

[northwichcat]

Slightly surprised to see the 19:00 from Manchester Airport continuing as a Barrow service, thought this would run to Glasgow from May!

The plan was to keep 5 return Manchester-Barrow services per day but they won't all go to the Airport - one morning southbound service will go to Victoria (due to no path through Deansgate) and an evening northbound service will do Airport-Oxford Road ECS (before the evening peak starts) then Oxford Road-Barrow at around 17:15.

 

[Dunc108]

The plan was to keep 5 return Manchester-Barrow services per day but they won't all go to the Airport - one morning southbound service will go to Victoria (due to no path through Deansgate) and an evening northbound service will do Airport-Oxford Road ECS (before the evening peak starts) then Oxford Road-Barrow at around 17:15.

With an ever increasing emphasis on Scottish services I thought it'd be only a matter of time before Windermere & especially Barrow services were affected..

 

[northwichcat]

With an ever increasing emphasis on Scottish services I thought it'd be only a matter of time before Windermere & especially Barrow services were affected..

The Barrow MP certainly thinks so. He envisages a further service reduction when the next franchise is let and is being vocal about trying to stop it.

 

[Philip]

With regards to the new Liverpool-Newcastle service; I think the better option would've been to run all Liverpool-Scarborough services as portion trains as far as York, with one half then carrying on to Newcastle, the other to Scarborough. Similar capacity levels but without taking up a path through Victoria. Journey times may not have been under 3 hours but with a bit of timetable tweaking (like transferring the Stalybridge stop to an Airport service) they won't have been much more 3 hours.

There is currently a 2 hour gap between TPE departures from the Airport to Bolton in the morning - 06:18 Barrow, the next one is saying 08:25 Blackpool. Like I said earlier the 07:56 Blackpool is missing, be surprised if they've cut this service?

 

[Eagle]

Wouldn't really work as a lot of the services you plan on linking are already 6-car, so you'd end up having some 9- or even 12-car services on the TPE core, which is too long for a lot of platforms.

 

[Philip]

Wouldn't really work as a lot of the services you plan on linking are already 6-car, so you'd end up having some 9- or even 12-car services on the TPE core, which is too long for a lot of platforms.

Currently I think there are 2 services per day out of Lime Street booked as 6-coaches early in the morning with a couple of arrivals into Liverpool in the evening strengthened. On the Airport-York route I think only the 07:06 to Newcastle is booked a 6-car. Plenty of space for strengthening! Why not just form all the Liverpool ones as 6-coach portion trains and strengthen a few extra peak time Manchester Airport-York services? That way you'd probably have no less carriages between Manchester and York as you would starting a brand new service.

Incidentally there is also a brand new 09:12 Piccadilly to Blackpool North Saturdays only from May.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Don't think that would work, the trains connecting at York inbound would be very unreliable to be honest. They are doing a step by step conversion of the timetable, leave em to it.

 

[Marton]

According to the NRT this station is expected to open during the current timetable, provisionally March 24.

Maybe. So far not a sign of work.

Can a station really be built and finished in 10 weeks?


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[Eagle]

Single-platform unstaffed halt, very probably.

How long did Conon Bridge take to do?

 

[Dunc108]

The Barrow MP certainly thinks so. He envisages a further service reduction when the next franchise is let and is being vocal about trying to stop it.

I Wouldn't be surprised to see (some) remaining Barrow's all using Victoria eventually. Certainly its addition to the TPE map from May makes anything possible, & this morning service from Barrow is an extra TPE into Vic I didn't expect...