May 2014 timetable changes

[Eagle]

Yeah but that's still a year or two off. By which time even more electrification should have been completed.

 

[Blindtraveler]

my understanding also but maybe the start of what is a massive knitting excersize will free up some DMUs that are currently running part or all of some runs under wires and now can be EMU worked? Despite living here Im only aware of diagrams for services I use E.G the odd 158 workings on HML. ↲
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also borders line 158s woant be needed till 2015 and there may be a few more wires up by then? Plus theres a few under the wires sprinters that could go electric, some of the Edinburgh Glasgow Central Via Motherwell ones for example could be 380 or 317 worked or even 320 ↲or 314s if there cleared via Carstairs and Kirknewton to Edin? Anyone know?↲

 

[D6975]

1K01 1133 London Euston to Crewe
1A91 1517 Crewe to London Euston

Oh my god, it actually happened!

Adam

This adds a little bit of track to the passenger network.

I'll get around to doing it sometime I'm sure.

 

[cle]

Are any changes to Southeastern trains in there as yet? Hoping for some of the improvements early to the Victoria-Dartford and Catford Loop services...

 

[Eagle]

Not sure about May, but the Catford Loop goes over to FCC/their successors in December.(Realistically this means no change, as it'll still be Kentish Town to Sevenoaks at the same frequency with the same stock. For the time being at least.)

 

[Class377/5]

Are any changes to Southeastern trains in there as yet? Hoping for some of the improvements early to the Victoria-Dartford and Catford Loop services...

Only Catford changes announced are in 2015 they will go through to St Pancras evening and at weekends.

 

[JackTheLad]

Only Catford changes announced are in 2015 they will go through to St Pancras evening and at weekends.

Apparently just weekday evenings according to that TSGN document. At weekends they are more than likely just to terminate at Blackfriars as normal which is a shame.

 

[Class377/5]

Apparently just weekday evenings according to that TSGN document. At weekends they are more than likely just to terminate at Blackfriars as normal which is a shame.

Your right it does. Must have seen it some else then (and it might have only been a proposal).

 

[cle]

In some ways it's worse, as nobody wants to go to Blackfriars at the weekend! Handy for the South Bank now I guess, but that's it!

Dec 2014 should have some Victoria - Dartford improvements I believe? Not least for my station Denmark Hill, which is also getting some Faversham (to be Dovers!) stops too. Currently a few inbound in the morning peak only. Hopefully a later service from Victoria to Denmark Hill too - a very busy station these days. Today's last train is at 20:09!

 

[pt_mad]

Notice the last Virgin Service to Crewe (2200 from EUS) has been timed later at both Nuneaton and Tamworth. This effectively removes the connection to Birmingham N St from Nun and connection to Burton-on-Trent and Derby from Tamworth.

I presume it will still be set down only.

 

[Muzer]

Some changes I've noticed already are Ayr-Glasgow Central now being 4tph throughout the week in addition to Saturdays, as well as the well-publicised changes on trans-Pennine services. I'm sure I'll find more!

Stupid question, but what *exactly* are the changes to the TransPennine services? I can't remember exactly what they were, and I can't find any articles about it. I understand Bolton is losing some services, but which ones/where are they being diverted?


EDIT: And are any "limited service" stations having their services changed?

 

[WatcherZero]

The TPE services from Manchester Airport to Edinburgh/Glasgow currently running through Bolton and Chorley finish the migration to via Wigan instead begun last December. A Liverpool to Newcastle direct service is introduced meaning the TPE North frequency increases to five trains per hour.

Website for May changes:
http://www.tpexpress.co.uk/about-us/new-trains-information/

 

[TSR :D]

Had a quick look at Snow Hill line and New St to Coventry line timetable, so far I can't see any obvious changes other than slight changes to timings for New St to Coventry trains.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Had a look and was really pleased to see an hourly through service from Blackpool North to Huddersfield, including a stop at Stalybridge. Ideal for visiting some of the best station bars in the country.


...and then realised there's no equivalent return, it goes to Wigan Wallgate instead.

Shame.

Stops for a pie on the way home?

 

[BigDavek]

Wonder how many will do this one

http://opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y73650/2014-05-20

Southport to Leeds via Atherton and Huddersfield and nearly all stops!!

Thats a weird one, a stopper which doesn't stop at Marsden & Slaithwaite

 

[Thomas6187]

There seems to be few odd new through working for Northern from May including this

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y77722/2014-05-19

 

[brompton rail]

There seems to be few odd new through working for Northern from May including this

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y76505/2014-05-19

The link opens as 1714 Sheffield to Leeds via Dearne - nothing odd about that?

 

[Starmill]

Interesting that on the Fylde lines the times have been completely revamped. Clockface departures from Blackpool North off-peak as follows:
xx.03 Liverpool (now stops at Poulton too)
xx.11 York
xx.21 Huddersfield or Todmorden (via Man Vic)
xx.44 Man Airport.

Oh, that's good! Doesn't that about double the time interval in which there are departures from Blackpool to Preston then, from just over 20 mins now to more than 40 minutes!
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Thats a weird one, a stopper which doesn't stop at Marsden & Slaithwaite

Hmmm, the Standege stops can have a slightly odd pattern at times at present...

From 08:27 to 16:27 it seems to be the standard hourly pattern calling at all 4 (post Ashton and Stalybridge). But then there's a 16:57 which is joined up with the Chat Moss stopper and does all 4 too. Then there's a 17:15 which runs through from Southport, but only calls at Mossley, Greenfield before running fast to Huddersfield. The normal train then runs at 17:27 but omits it's call at Slaithwaite. The 17:57 again runs through from Chat Moss but this time does all stations.

Going the other way there is also the 18:04 Huddersfield to Vic that only does the Yorkshire stops, not the Manchester ones.

Didn't there used to be an evening Leeds - Marsden and back as well, giving Marsden and Slaithewaite 1 direct service from Leeds per day? Has it gone? I can still see the morning Marsden - Leeds direct. That must have annoyed some people...

I can only assume that it is simply a case of them adding peak extra trains but having to make the stopping pattern fit so they don't get to in they way of TPE. Slaithewaite appears to draw the shortest straw

 

[Eagle]

The link opens as 1714 Sheffield to Leeds via Dearne - nothing odd about that?

Been corrected; it's now the 1615 Adwick to Manchester Piccadilly (via Dore and Marple).

Journey time 2h15. Timed as a Pacer, of course.

 

[Muzer]

The TPE services from Manchester Airport to Edinburgh/Glasgow currently running through Bolton and Chorley finish the migration to via Wigan instead begun last December. A Liverpool to Newcastle direct service is introduced meaning the TPE North frequency increases to five trains per hour.

Website for May changes:
http://www.tpexpress.co.uk/about-us/new-trains-information/

Ah. Will they all be going via Eccles then? Or have I missed another line being electrified?
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Been corrected; it's now the 1615 Adwick to Manchester Piccadilly (via Dore and Marple).

Journey time 2h15. Timed as a Pacer, of course.

Thought you said Ardwick for a minute. Now that WOULD be an odd journey

 

[Paul Duck]

It looks like Northern Rail must consider the boost to services at South Bank a success as they've kept it at an hourly service throughout the week (compared to 3/4 trains per day Monday - Saturday and nothing on Sunday as it was a year ago).

My theory on why South Bank has an hourly service is due to Northern using the LENNON ticketing data which will be quite high at South Bank, simply because its the cheapest station in the Teesside area with an anytime return to Newcastle which is sold extensively throughout Teesside. We sell at least 10 a week at Eaglescliffe. If the introduced an Anytime return from Middlesbrough, Thornaby and Eaglescliffe to Newcastle i'm convinced South Bank would lose its hourly service.

 

[WatcherZero]

Ah. Will they all be going via Eccles then? Or have I missed another line being electrified?

Yes, the Chat Moss route, though they wont stop at any of the stations on the line.

 

[brompton rail]

Been corrected; it's now the 1615 Adwick to Manchester Piccadilly (via Dore and Marple).

Journey time 2h15. Timed as a Pacer, of course.

So, presumably, this is to move a set from the East side to the west side of Northern. I can't imagine the crew work through.

The 1708 arrival from Manchester goes into platform 1A, and the next departure is 17.24 to Retford.

It also runs on Saturdays

Not found any other through workings.

 

[YorkshireBear]

My services used to often be delayed commuting home as they swapped the Leeds-Sheffield via Castleford and the Hope Valley units over. Hopefully this will eliminate that.

 

[eastwestdivide]

Been corrected; it's now the 1615 Adwick to Manchester Piccadilly (via Dore and Marple).

Journey time 2h15. Timed as a Pacer, of course.

Quite unusual in that the Hope Valley stoppers are usually NW-based units and the Adwick-Doncaster-Sheffield etc aren't.
That one linked above looks like it turns round in Pl.1 at Manchester and forms the next one back to Sheffield
http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y77727/2014-05-19
so maybe it stays "captive" to Yorkshire. The previous service to Adwick that forms it seems to start from Sheffield.

 

[brompton rail]

Quite unusual in that the Hope Valley stoppers are usually NW-based units and the Adwick-Doncaster-Sheffield etc aren't.
That one linked above looks like it turns round in Pl.1 at Manchester and forms the next one back to Sheffield
http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y77727/2014-05-19
so maybe it stays "captive" to Yorkshire. The previous service to Adwick that forms it seems to start from Sheffield.

It looks as if the set arrives 1406 on platform 1A from Manchester Piccadilly 1249.

Nothing uses platform 2C between arrival of 1007/ dep 1014 (Manchester) and 1414 departure to Manchester. The 1207/1214 used platform 8A. Can 2 pacers fit 2C, leaving one set to work the 1414 ? Are there any doubled sets on Hope Valley?

 

[eastwestdivide]

I think you can fit two in 2C at Sheffield. There could also be an untimetabled shunt move.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

So, presumably, this is to move a set from the East side to the west side of Northern. I can't imagine the crew work through.

Hopefully someone can confirm but I don't think Sheffield Northern crews actually sign the Hope Valley; it is only Piccadilly men that work them.

 

[Geeves]

Thats correct, only Piccadilly crews sign the Hope Valley for Northern. In regards to the stock being NW based its not really a big deal anymore, 150/1/2 142s are common user. The only problem I can see is if a 153 turns up as Piccadilly dont sign those.

 

[northwichcat]

From next May it looks like there's going to be a Newcastle to Barrow service dep 16:32 arr 20:48
http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/Y76126/2014-05-26

I hope that's booked for a 156 not a 142!