Class 458/5

[Goldfish62]

Could have been either 502 or 532. 502 has been out and about so you have more chance of seeing 532 on depot......

Seen times for a 458/0 move to Doncaster on 11th. Feeling it might be 8030.....

Before they move another 458/0 to Wabtec they really need to be able to release a pair of 450s for Reading line diagrams as they're seriously struggling to provide 22 diagrammed 458/0s from a fleet of 26.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Could have been either 502 or 532. 502 has been out and about so you have more chance of seeing 532 on depot......

Seen times for a 458/0 move to Doncaster on 11th. Feeling it might be 8030.....

If they go to pattern it will be 458005.

 

[user15681]

Pretty sure the moves today were light engine Eastleigh to Wimbledon then collect the barriers and take them to Doncaster? No 458 move, just barriers, although I'm happy to be corrected on that.

Out of interest there were no 47s available at Eastleigh (all Colas 47s at Washwood Heath) so it's 70807 doing it instead. Would have looked weird with a 458.

 

[Smod]

Pretty sure the moves today were light engine Eastleigh to Wimbledon then collect the barriers and take them to Doncaster? No 458 move, just barriers, although I'm happy to be corrected on that.

Out of interest there were no 47s available at Eastleigh (all Colas 47s at Washwood Heath) so it's 70807 doing it instead. Would have looked weird with a 458.

Is there anything that doesn't look weird with a 458?

 

[Domh245]

Another 458?

 

[Goldfish62]

Another 458?

No, that looks weird as well.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Why does it have to be 458536? Could it not be 458503? Or 04 or 01?

Only the 460 end vehicles went to Loughborough.

As of Wednesday they were still there.

Think 8501 winds its way down tonight.
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If they go to pattern it will be 458005.

I only saw a shopping list for the first few and 8030 is quite high up.

When 8004 went both it and 8030 were stopped and it seems there was umming and ah-ing over which went. 8004 went as the gangways were apparently damaged at one end by a person jumping in front of the unit a fair while back.

 

[Crossforth]

I went down to Doncaster on Thursday 14th and saw 458501 being marshalled together in Wabtec. Within the yard there was a rake fully together but with no logos (definatly a former 458/0 as it had a pantograph well) and there was also a 458/5 sticking out the front of one of the sheds. Any ideas?

 

[Kite159]

Just spotted a double unit heading into Basingstoke from the west. Didn't manage to catch the numbers.

Empty units from Bournemouth it looks like from RTT:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q65200/2014/08/17/advanced

Although riding one on Friday, nice seats

 

[hassaanhc]

just spotted a double unit heading into basingstoke from the west. Didn't manage to catch the numbers.

Empty units from bournemouth it looks like from rtt:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/q65200/2014/08/17/advanced

although riding one on friday, nice seats

8502+8532
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Consist seen at Farnborough Main earlier by Flickr member Steve Poole:

458502 by stavioni, on Flickr

 

[Kite159]

I had to blink when I saw it pass, first thought was a double 450, before it clicked that it was shiny and double 450s don't normally run east of Basingstoke on Sundays (normally a single/double 444 for Weymouth and a double which spilt at Eastleigh for the Pompey/Poole service).

Nice surprise, nice trains...just a shame they will ever be seen in this area

 

[spark001uk]

Saw 502+532 at Basingstoke yesterday on the Wimbledon Park run. 32 does look a bit better with ribbon on all cars. Agree 02 does look a bit odd. Driver said testing going OK so far.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Saw 502+532 at Basingstoke yesterday on the Wimbledon Park run. 32 does look a bit better with ribbon on all cars. Agree 02 does look a bit odd. Driver said testing going OK so far.

Looks nice.I suspect (or at least hope) they will have less trouble with the ex 458's.Thanks for the pic(s).

 

[spark001uk]

They're definitely struggling on the Readings, this is the second 455 I've seen here today.

No toilets. No first class.

 

[hassaanhc]

They're definitely struggling on the Readings, this is the second 455 I've seen here today.

No toilets. No first class.

Only one is being advertised currently, which is approaching Waterloo and will do the 2C51 1650 London Waterloo to Reading.
The Hounslow 458/5 diagram is also missing a unit today.

 

[infobleep]

Well I would have thought the Reading service was a metro service and thus it doesn't matter if it has toilets as most metro services don't. I could be wrong through. I certainly never thought of it as a high speed service that's for sure.

 

[hassaanhc]

Well I would have thought the Reading service was a metro service and thus it doesn't matter if it has toilets as most metro services don't. I could be wrong through. I certainly never thought of it as a high speed service that's for sure.

Toilets aside, the Reading services have First Class advertised, and if anyone with a First Class ticket is to go on it then they are entitled to be compensated the difference between a First and a Standard ticket (well normal tickets anyway, rules on seasons might be different).
The use of stock without toilets on hour-long journeys on the usual routes is controversial anyway, and the Reading services beat all of them at 100 minutes long (the usual routes are no more than 75-80 minutes). Ideally 450s should be the substitute, but mileage limits are much stricter on them.

 

[gswindale]

It might not be a "high speed" service; but I certainly wouldn't class it as a "metro" route either.

From Staines; I would guess it could be thought of as part of a "metro" style service towards London; however it picks up a large proportion of its load from Bracknell/Wokingham areas - partially as it is cheaper and about as quick to get to the West End via Waterloo than out to Reading and into Paddington and down the tube (I know as I've been both ways on occasion!)

I have to say that I'm sad to see the 458/0 disappear as I've always found the seating more comfortable than on the 450/455 (and that really isn't a pleasant way to spend 2 hours when diverted via Kingston and then subjected to an additional points failure!)

 

[Manchester77]

With 455s appearing on Reading services is it due to the late running of the 458:5 program as well as 456 refurbishment programs meaning that 450s have to cover for those? If so (obviously I'm no SWT employee) would it be at all possible for 455s to cover the duties which should be 456 operated thus allowing 450s to work on the Reading line or is something prohibiting this??

 

[infobleep]

It might not be a "high speed" service; but I certainly wouldn't class it as a "metro" route either.

From Staines; I would guess it could be thought of as part of a "metro" style service towards London; however it picks up a large proportion of its load from Bracknell/Wokingham areas - partially as it is cheaper and about as quick to get to the West End via Waterloo than out to Reading and into Paddington and down the tube (I know as I've been both ways on occasion!)

I have to say that I'm sad to see the 458/0 disappear as I've always found the seating more comfortable than on the 450/455 (and that really isn't a pleasant way to spend 2 hours when diverted via Kingston and then subjected to an additional points failure!)

I wouldn't class some the country stations north of Guildford on the Cobham / Bookham lines as metro but that service is classed as a metro service.

 

[455driver]

With 455s appearing on Reading services is it due to the late running of the 458:5 program as well as 456 refurbishment programs meaning that 450s have to cover for those? If so (obviously I'm no SWT employee) would it be at all possible for 455s to cover the duties which should be 456 operated thus allowing 450s to work on the Reading line or is something prohibiting this??

The 456s only work on the Ascot to Guildford line so replacing them with 455s wouldnt be an advantage, unless you want the 456s on the Readings.

 

[Manchester77]

The 456s only work on the Ascot to Guildford line so replacing them with 455s wouldnt be an advantage, unless you want the 456s on the Readings.

Might not be the best of ideas then especially with them being prone to gapping or has that bonus 456 feature been resolved now?

 

[455driver]

Might not be the best of ideas then especially with them being prone to gapping or has that bonus 456 feature been resolved now?

Nope!

 

[Manchester77]

Nope!

Wouldn't expect anything more; Good to hear they're keeping up their standards!

 

[WarrenTManager]

Only one is being advertised currently, which is approaching Waterloo and will do the 2C51 1650 London Waterloo to Reading.
The Hounslow 458/5 diagram is also missing a unit today.

533 was parked at WD

 

[Juniper Driver]

Might not be the best of ideas then especially with them being prone to gapping or has that bonus 456 feature been resolved now?

The problem with gapping is due to the fact they are new to SWT and we don't know (at the moment) where these units can get gapped.

 

[Monty]

Nope!

Well the have kinda, 456s are just banned from operating alone and most work in pairs.

 

[Crossforth]

May I ask what gapping is?

 

[jopsuk]

In terms of third rail units: when a unit comes to rest without any of its pick up shoes in contact with the third rail. Most likely to happen if a unit is moving slowly over point work as there are lengthy gaps there. generally only an issue for train formations of four cars or less. Drivers know trouble spots and adjust their driving accordingly- but with only two cars can be hard.

 

[hassaanhc]

I was on a 8.455 once that stopped at a signal just after leaving Waterloo and the front unit came to a stop over a gap (all the lights went out). So lucky it wasn't a single unit