Holmbridge
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Keep telling yourselves that franchising works........
See article for passenger pic from cab.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-trains-wales-investigate-claims-8364004
Keep telling yourselves that franchising works........
I doubt it's allowed, and I expect someone will be slapped very hard for it (and will leave people behind next time), but it wasn't a "security risk".
If someone jumped? No worse than sitting behind the driver on a Class 101 set, not that those are running on the mainline any more!
Neil
Furthermore, if we have a train that is so packed that the people are standing and rammed against each other, then clearly, in the event of an emergency, we would have a far more dangerous situation than in a normally loaded train.
“Research in the late Nineties... found that where there was a crowded or overcrowded train carriage there was no detrimental effect to people involved in crashes. In a lot of cases people were better off in train carriages where there was overcrowding.”
The driving cab of any train is well and truly off limits, and has been for some years now. Even a Guard isn't permitted to travel in there, and that includes the entire can area regardless of what can be done with gangway doors. As I mentioned above, there is equipment which is not intended to be accessible to the public, even on the Secondman's side of the cab. As well the door release valve already pointed out, the OTMR ( data recorder ) is mounted on that side of the cab, and on some stock with some TOCs there is further kit over there as well. Not to mention the legal nightmare if the train was indeed involved in a fatality/collision/hit by something being thrown etc... It isn't an area for the public to travel in and the rules about it are very clear.
Looking at the "cab pic" it looks like a northbound shot of Ruabon from a 158. However the train was suppose to be heading south through there! Anyone else like to identify the location?
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It does if your a senior manager and have a bonus scheme!
See article for passenger pic from cab.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-trains-wales-investigate-claims-8364004
Now appears the pictures might not be factual!
Fancy a newspaper doing that eh!
Not that it's much better as fiddling with equipment at the back can still influence what's going on up front.
I hope that you are making reference to sections of a unit rather than being obtusely rude....
I hope that you are making reference to sections of a unit rather than being obtusely rude....
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-trains-wales-investigate-claims-8364004Rail bosses have confirmed they are investigating claims passengers were forced to travel in the drivers cab because of severe overcrowding.
Arriva Trains Wales said they are taking very seriously the allegations that people on a morning Holyhead to Birmingham service on Saturday had been able to access secure areas.
Politicians said the lack of a legal limit on the numbers travelling meant people were being made to travel in Third World conditions.
An Arriva Trains Wales spokesperson said: We operate our services within industry-wide safety limits. Currently, there are no official fixed capacity limits on the number of customers we can carry on trains, and the design of trains takes account of the likelihood of heavy loadings.
This issue is also regularly discussed with relevant stakeholders and the Office of Rail Regulation.
That looks very much like Ruabon. If so then it's a picture taken from the front of a northbound train though, I suspect, not from the cab. The other picture with the article also suggest a northbound train - track and platform on the right.
Given that the train in question was southbound then the pictures seem to be disingenuous.
Travel for anyone is optional.
Commute for work - quit, get another job locally.
Travel to customers/suppliers for work - don't bother, only seek local customers/suppliers
Travel to family - If they don't live locally ignore them.
That looks very much like Ruabon. If so then it's a picture taken from the front of a northbound train though, I suspect, not from the cab. The other picture with the article also suggest a northbound train - track and platform on the right.
Given that the train in question was southbound then the pictures seem to be disingenuous.
Precisely; if people were just a little more thoughtful and decided to travel a little less, this overcrowding wouldn't be happening. Same on the roads.
Why are the passengers always to blame, the railway is for the benefit of the passenger, having a two coach 158, when another TOC cancels its service is not the blame of the passenger, some of whom may have visited sick relatives.
Precisely; if people were just a little more thoughtful and decided to travel a little less, this overcrowding wouldn't be happening. Same on the roads.
The inevitable investigation has started "for safety and security reasons" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...acked-train-had-to-travel-in-drivers-cab.html
Some meaningless PR waffle from Arriva - "Some of our services were extremely busy however trains are built to robust industry standards recognising that peaks will occur due to the unpredictability of customers' travel patterns and there are no defined upper limits on the number of customers permitted to travel on-board a train."
There has been much debate on this subject, but, do we know the full facts and attempting to judge. We are not even certain whether the passengers are alleged to have travelled in the driver's cab or the rear cab.
If it was the driver's cab, apart from coming into contact with any equipment there is the question of affecting the driver's concentration. What would have happened if there had ben a SPAD. Suggest we are in possession of the full facts first.
Precisely; if people were just a little more thoughtful and decided to travel a little less, this overcrowding wouldn't be happening. Same on the roads.
Suggest we are in possession of the full facts first.
The point is the other TOC should be taken to task on this.
It's all well and good blaming ATW - but really pressure needs to be put onto VT to ensure that this doesn't happen again, particularly when their train was sitting in Holyhead all day until 13:58.
There seems to be a fixation here with blaming ATW without actually dealing with the real cause of the problem - VT cancelling a train that they could have operated.
Arriva said that the incident was alleged to have taken place last weekend despite the company providing extra capacity.
"Over the weekend we ran over 1,300 services across our extensive network," it said.
The Daily Post have printed a follow up today
part of the report below written by David Powell Daily Post staff reporter
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arriva-trains-wales-investigate-claims-8364004
Full version link is above
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It looks very much like Ruabon,however without seeing the signage close up,it could be anywhere.
with all respect, in my thread above I gained the impression the passenger was to blame, I did not blame ATW,but if ATW want to keep in the good books for an extension of its contract which seems likely, both they and VT had better sort out this problem of losing what must be near a thousand plus seats out of Holyhead due to no forward thinking.Having seen the problems caused by VT out of Wrexham, I dont think VT give a dam.
I can not think of any other time during a blockade, VT have failed to run some sort of service between Holyhead and Crewe, the one service was a total disgrace.
The spin from ATWs media office is priceless,
A fair point of course, but either cab is off limits and both Driver and Guard will be well aware of that.