Creation of class 230 DEMUs from ex-LU D78s by Vivarail

[Chris125]

They've updated the exterior and interior visuals on their website with what appears to be the finalised design:

Interior

Exterior 1

Exterior 2

 

[CC 72100]

4 doors per coach in the driving vehicles? Tube-style longitudinal seating? I wish them all the best and I can see the potential, but things like that aren't going to help in shaking off the 'old tube stock' tag.

 

[southern442]

They've updated the exterior and interior visuals on their website with what appears to be the finalised design:

Interior

Exterior 1

Exterior 2

Everyone's favourite seats are back! again!

Why are people trying to standardize the seating type for the whole network? The new 377's the 387's, 700's, the pacer demonstrator, the 317 demonstrator, the 321 demonstrator, the 230's now, even the goddamn IEP's have these bloody seats! No doubt they will also feature on the 707's and the 345's, when will it end?

 

[Peter Sarf]

They've updated the exterior and interior visuals on their website with what appears to be the finalised design:

Interior

Exterior 1

Exterior 2

The unit on the left in the pictures looks to have a reasonable front end compared to the example seen before. But I would hazard a guess that the yellow area is too small ?. The unit on the right looks far more likely and not too painful.

Interior is OK. Very tube like in the foreground (which I don't like anyway). The 2+2 seating seems oddly out of place next to the tube style seating.

Not bad - can't wait to see what a real one turns out like.
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Everyone's favourite seats are back! again!

Why are people trying to standardize the seating type for the whole network? The new 377's the 387's, 700's, the pacer demonstrator, the 317 demonstrator, the 321 demonstrator, the 230's now, even the goddamn IEP's have these bloody seats! No doubt they will also feature on the 707's and the 345's, when will it end?

It will end with NO seats !.

 

[jimm]

Why do people take everything so literally?

These are simply yet more potential treatments for these trains, there's nothing 'final' about what is shown in these images.

The ability to opt for different door set-ups and interior layouts and seating types depending on customers' different requirements remains the same as it has been since the project first took shape, so it would hardly be surprising if the prototype demonstrates a couple of these possibilities in each coach.

 

[swt_passenger]

. But I would hazard a guess that the yellow area is too small ?

More than adequate, just looks daft. It only needs 1 sq m of warning yellow, with a minimum dimension of 0.6 m. Anything more is optional.

 

[Bletchleyite]

4 doors per coach in the driving vehicles? Tube-style longitudinal seating? I wish them all the best and I can see the potential, but things like that aren't going to help in shaking off the 'old tube stock' tag.

I think those aren't final plans but a mix of options. Must admit I think it looks much better with a full yellow end and the black window surrounds.
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Interior is OK. Very tube like in the foreground (which I don't like anyway). The 2+2 seating seems oddly out of place next to the tube style seating.

I see what you mean but am not sure why - after all the Met Line S-stock and the original D-stock layout have a mix of side-facing and bay seats.
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Why are people trying to standardize the seating type for the whole network? The new 377's the 387's, 700's, the pacer demonstrator, the 317 demonstrator, the 321 demonstrator, the 230's now, even the goddamn IEP's have these bloody seats! No doubt they will also feature on the 707's and the 345's, when will it end?

Some of us like them.

 

[Greybeard33]

They've updated the exterior and interior visuals on their website with what appears to be the finalised design:

Interior

Exterior 1

Exterior 2

The choice of "Morecambe" for the destination display on the exterior renders perhaps hints at one of the franchises that the Vivarail marketeers have in their sights, Ministerial statements notwithstanding....

 

[Jonny]

The choice of "Morecambe" for the destination display on the exterior renders perhaps hints at one of the franchises that the Vivarail marketeers have in their sights, Ministerial statements notwithstanding....

I seem to recall that applied to EU regulations for level crossings on certain lines, of which a couple cross that franchise's network. It wouldn't be insurmountable, though.
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4 doors per coach in the driving vehicles? Tube-style longitudinal seating? I wish them all the best and I can see the potential, but things like that aren't going to help in shaking off the 'old tube stock' tag.

There is a mix of seating styles in that picture with transverse seating further back; I think the implication is either/or (or maybe some of both) depending on the particular route.

 

[Haydn1971]

The choice of "Morecambe" for the destination display on the exterior renders perhaps hints at one of the franchises that the Vivarail marketeers have in their sights, Ministerial statements notwithstanding....

Or probably more likely, it's a Vivarail in house joke that they know will get comments on the rail forums - not that I've ever done anything like that in an official capacity haha

 

[D365]

Or probably more likely, it's a Vivarail in house joke that they know will get comments on the rail forums - not that I've ever done anything like that in an official capacity haha

Am I the only one whose first thoughts are "Morecambe and Wise"?

 

[JaJaWa]

The unit on the left in the pictures looks to have a reasonable front end compared to the example seen before. But I would hazard a guess that the yellow area is too small ?. The unit on the right looks far more likely and not too painful.

Interior is OK. Very tube like in the foreground (which I don't like anyway). The 2+2 seating seems oddly out of place next to the tube style seating.

No requirements for a yellow end from next year.

 

[THC]

Or probably more likely, it's a Vivarail in house joke that they know will get comments on the rail forums - not that I've ever done anything like that in an official capacity haha

Do you really think they'll care what the (us?) anoraks think?

THC

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Or probably more likely, it's a Vivarail in house joke that they know will get comments on the rail forums - not that I've ever done anything like that in an official capacity haha

Morecambe Council's tourist section should be getting in touch with Adrian Shooter to complain about their resort's name being shown in this image. Morecambe finds it hard enough to attract visitors these days without that particular unwanted artistic impression leaving them open to even more unkind jokes than normal....:roll:

 

[D365]

Morecambe finds it hard enough to attract visitors these days without that particular unwanted artistic impression leaving them open to even more unkind jokes than normal....:roll:

The only unkind joke being made is about the 'Transit engine' - a matter which has long been kicked into the grass.

Yellow, I'll concede, is my favourite colour, but I do admit to feeling perturbed by the new rendering on the rightmost unit.

 

[BestWestern]

No requirements for a yellow end from next year.

The yellow ends standard is being done away with?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The only unkind joke being made is about the 'Transit engine' - a matter which has long been kicked into the grass.

It appears that my knowledge of jokes about Morecambe are more extensive than yours...and go back as far as the decade of the post-WW2 period.

"Morecambe...the town they stand their dead up in bus shelters" being just one of these

 

[D365]

It appears that my knowledge of jokes about Morecambe are more extensive than yours...and go back as far as the decade of the post-WW2 period.

"Morecambe...the town they stand their dead up in bus shelters" being just one of these

Apologies, I'd assumed you were referring exclusively to the rolling stock in discussion. The only 'joke' I was previously familiar to was the "Crap Towns" series of books - seeing as my home town was featured on the cover of the second edition...

Do you believe such humour bears relevance at all to the Vivarail renderings?

 

[northwichcat]

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One train has a driver and the other doesn't.

 

[Clip]

One train has a driver and the other doesn't.

The other one is on the other line so obviously its going in the other direction

 

[swt_passenger]

No requirements for a yellow end from next year.

Probably a case for a separate thread, but has that decision now definitely been made? I mentioned the consultation in one of the many previous threads about yellow panels, but hadn't been keeping up with the progress. If agreed the revised group standard, GM/RT2131, would be effective next month - Dec 15.

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The yellow ends standard is being done away with?

Only if the high intensity headlamps are fitted and meet the latest standards, it wouldn't be a 'blanket' relaxation.

 

[D365]

Only if the high intensity headlamps are fitted and meet the latest standards, it wouldn't be a 'blanket' relaxation.

Is all new mainline stock specified with high-intensity headlamps, and if so, which is the earliest class to come fitted as standard?

 

[swt_passenger]

Is all new mainline stock specified with high-intensity headlamps, and if so, which is the earliest class to come fitted as standard?

Sorry I've no way of knowing. I just read the standard but only people with exact technical details of what a particular stock is fitted with would know for sure.

If I was to take a guess, I'd think anything delivered within the last five years or so will definitely be compliant, possibly back as far as mid 2000s. Whenever the third (upper) marker light became common.

 

[Peter Sarf]

One train has a driver and the other doesn't.

Well obviously they only have one driver trained on them !. But I am going to start a rumor that the 230s are capable of being driverless. Instead of getting rid of the guard the driver will instead do the meeting and greeting duties coupled with revenue maximisation. That way the cab does not have to be so crashworhty as above a certain speed the seat will simply swivel round and the door to the passenger area will open thus allowing the driver to get up and walk back down the train . You can even see through the back of the cab into the passenger area .

Obviously the 442s will not have that feature even though they have to go even faster.

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The other one is on the other line so obviously its going in the other direction

Oh you had to ruin it !. Wish I had thought of that tbh .

 

[CdBrux]

Am I the only one whose first thoughts are "Morecambe and Wise"?

As I know Paul Sidorczuk is a long time opponent of this idea, no matter how good it may end up being, then I will be the one to ask him: "What do you think of it so far?"

Personally I still think these could end up being quite 'Wise'

 

[lordbusiness]

Has anyone actually signed up to buy any yet?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Has anyone actually signed up to buy any yet?

I can't imagine that anyone will before a full rail-worthy 2 or 3-car demonstrator is completed.

 

[D365]

I can't imagine that anyone will before a full rail-worthy 2 or 3-car demonstrator is completed.

Is that not what the prototype unit is?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Is that not what the prototype unit is?

I don't believe it's allowed on the mainline yet, and it is only a single-ended single car.

If I was going to buy some, I'd want to try a proper mainline prototype in actual service.

 

[D365]

I don't believe it's allowed on the mainline yet, and it is only a single-ended single car.

If I was going to buy some, I'd want to try a proper mainline prototype in actual service.

An agreement has been reached with GWR to run trials on the Gunnislake Line. Not sure when this will begin however.