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HST Power Car into retro livery

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fgwrich said:
Indeed it is. The 'Banbury Set' Mk3s still retain their original doors, and are being painted in the DMU style 'Mainline' livery. As seen in this photo.

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I was on that set the other week and the coaches were a right mixed bag - some of the "Mainline" livery you mention above, alongside a couple of BR liveried one (including one very knackered one at the front...good for the 68 thrash though <() and an ATW one tagged on at the back (presumably due to the one that made itself into a bonfire the other week)
 
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zn1 said:
42001 is in prototype condition and is now a runner...the industry has the forerunner of what become the current design.
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I assume you mean 41001 - she's got a production Valenta as the prototype engine fitted had been sectioned. Having been in the powercar while it's running, I can assure you that engine is far from knackered :D
 
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sprinterguy said:
This has been discussed in this regard somewhere recently, but I'm not sure whether heritage liveries such as BR blue/grey might benefit from some sort of grandfather rights that negates the need for contrasting doors: The single, former prototype, mark 3 vehicle which received BR Pullman reverse blue/grey for a short while in service with FGW didn't have them, and also note that Chiltern's blue and grey mark 3 rake, some vehicles of which have only fairly recently been repainted into this livery from Virgin red/black to create a matching set, doesn't have them, either.
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The way that the accessibility regs. are drawn out basically means that if you refurbish, any new or changed bits have to meet accessibility standards. So you cannot fit things like passenger information systems unless they meet all requirements. However, you can get away with doing less if you are doing a 'like-for-like' refurbishment, and I suspect replacing one 'heritage' livery with another falls into this category. Come 2020 you will need to be accessibility compliant, remove from service, or get a dispensation. Making a vehicle less compliant, and putting it into passenger service, will leave you open to a hefty fine.
 
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Tempest3K said:
I assume you mean 41001 - she's got a production Valenta as the prototype engine fitted had been sectioned. Having been in the powercar while it's running, I can assure you that engine is far from knackered :D
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people never learn do they?
The same happened to the engines in DELTIC, and the production ones won't fit (alloy vs steel crankcases I understand) so she'll remain forever unpowered
 
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randyrippley said:
people never learn do they?
The same happened to the engines in DELTIC, and the production ones won't fit (alloy vs steel crankcases I understand) so she'll remain forever unpowered
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Royal Navy engineers seem to think the prototype DELTIC was fitted with marine engines, possibly non magnetic versions which would have then gone onto RN service in a minesweeper. If that's the case, there's still some non magnetic, marine DELTIC engines available which may fit, but as the locomotive has gauging issues with the bogies, it's possibly a moot point unless a preserved railway could run it.
 
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Philip Phlopp said:
Royal Navy engineers seem to think the prototype DELTIC was fitted with marine engines, possibly non magnetic versions which would have then gone onto RN service in a minesweeper. If that's the case, there's still some non magnetic, marine DELTIC engines available which may fit, but as the locomotive has gauging issues with the bogies, it's possibly a moot point unless a preserved railway could run it.
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I've heard that it was fitted with marine engines too.
Will try find my source..
 
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Just returning to the original topic, original or retro livery on HSTs. I don't normally bother about liveries but I've got a bee in my bonnet about this one.

The dowdy blue and grey on the coaches can stay in the 1970s as far as I'm concerned, but I've always thought that anything post-privatisation on the power cars has done them no favours, making the front ends look angular and wedge like. The overall impression is one of something elderly tarted up. The more recently fitted light clusters don't help with that.

The old yellow-blue-yellow bands, continuing along the side, and the continuous strip housing the lights and horns flattered the shape of the nose perfectly and gave a look of sleekness and speed.

It's not too late for Scotrail, the yellow bands would set off the slightly different blue nicely.

Anyone fancy doing a photoshop of it?!
 
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Swallow's great, still plenty of horizontal lines going on, and BR had the wit to only let the Inter City grey cut in behind the nose. It's way that operators since BR want to make HST front ends look all up and down that does the original design - a modern classic after all - no favours.
 
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Its HST40 so its first production style. You will have to wait until preservation for IC or Exec.

Note, I said style. Not with the black of original 2 sets pre service !!
 
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47271 said:
Swallow's great, still plenty of horizontal lines going on, and BR had the wit to only let the Inter City grey cut in behind the nose. It's way that operators since BR want to make HST front ends look all up and down that does the original design - a modern classic after all - no favours.
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I must admit I very much approve of the 'vertical' yellow of the CrossCountry, GNER and new GWR liveries; I think it looks superb and sits well on the front ends.
 
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BestWestern said:
43002 is currently in traffic in 'part-painted' condition, with yellow cab roof and some BR Blue on the roof vents.
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Looks like it will be a temporary vinyl job so. Pitty!

I did read in one of the railway mags that one is to be in IC Swallow also?
 
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dubscottie said:
Looks like it will be a temporary vinyl job so. Pitty!

I did read in one of the railway mags that one is to be in IC Swallow also?
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What is clear is that 43002 will be going into original BR Blue Grey livery - The work so far shows this, it's also not been seen since the 25th so there's still time for it to be a paint job! Of course one way to make 002 fit in to it's original livery could be to paint the areas around the light clusters a light grey - to replicate the grey ish colour of the original light covers.

This photo also notes that 43040 is currently being repainted in Laira. And that is apparently going Swallow.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/50022...KyR-ziSdLm-zhHHya-yjQBUj-yWNhSU-yhnrkj-yEGSk6
 
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fgwrich said:
What is clear is that 43002 will be going into original BR Blue Grey livery - The work so far shows this, it's also not been seen since the 25th so there's still time for it to be a paint job! Of course one way to make 002 fit in to it's original livery could be to paint the areas around the light clusters a light grey - to replicate the grey ish colour of the original light covers.

This photo also notes that 43040 is currently being repainted in Laira. And that is apparently going Swallow.
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The fact that the grills and roof have been painted (hard to vinyl parts) and the bodywork not prepared makes me think its a vinyl job rather than a repaint.
 
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I wonder if we'll be getting all nostalgic in 2057 and revinyl a Class 801 into GWR green to celebrate 40 years of sterling service?! ;)
 
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