EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Johnuk123]

Oh good, so the Prime Minister is leaving, and we're leaving an undemocratic system where the executive is chosen by the legislative.

I'm looking forward to my chance to vote for the new prime minister before September. When will the ballot papers be sent out?

Did you hold the same opinion in 2007 when there was a similar coronation?

 

[Antman]

Quite probably. And in that case I imagine I would have made much the same comment as I did to Railops. I would have hoped that it would be obvious to most people that taking pleasure in someone else's suffering is not a good thing to be doing.

I very much agree with your last sentence and I really do hope that the member who was on here earlier talking about taking his own life wasn't being serious.

 

[JamesRowden]

I'm just glad my job's safe, now those million Turks won't be able to come over here and steal it from me. Although if my employer relocates part of the business to an EU country, which is highly likely, then maybe I'll be the immigrant, if they will accept me.

The world feels like it's falling apart at the seams right now.

Or perhaps the EU country will stop you entering their country because they don't want any more migrants.

 

[Steveman]

And how exactly do you come to that conclusion? They are two totally separate issues!

Both because of EU regulations.

 

[Butts]

An interesting point made on the BBC this morning. When Blair stood down as PM the Conservatives made a massive fuss about Labour changing the PM and not calling an election saying it was completly unreasonable to change a PM without calling a general election. Will Johnson, Gove or whoever remember that when they become Conservative leader?

Anyone remember 1976 when Wilson stood down and Callaghan took over ?

At least Cameron has done the honourable thing.

Ruth Davidson for PM !!

 

[miami]

An interesting point made on the BBC this morning. When Blair stood down as PM the Conservatives made a massive fuss about Labour changing the PM and not calling an election saying it was completly unreasonable to change a PM without calling a general election. Will Johnson, Gove or whoever remember that when they become Conservative leader?

Farage was trying to justify the hypocracy

Lies coming out this morning
1) £350m a week. Farage admitted on Today that was a lie
2) EU undemocratic and the UK democratic. Farage admitted that the PM isn't chosen by the population

I wonder how many members of other political parties were given the opportunity to enter into the recent contest for the Labour Party leadership?

If it was just a party leader, that would be fine, however it's not, it's a change in the government, and whether it's Brown or Johnson taking over you can hardly say it's democratic.

 

[Steveman]

Anyone remember 1976 when Wilson stood down and Callaghan took over ?

At least Cameron has done the honourable thing.

Ruth Davidson for PM !!

No, because no one is as old as you.

 

[Butts]

No, because no one is as old as you.

Paul S may beg to differ

We could see the return of Duty Free Tabs on European jaunts - only problem finding somewhere to smoke them

 

[Railops]

Osborne has been remarkably quiet, to be honest he should have resigned before Cameron but perhaps he's waiting for the markets to rally first.

 

[DarloRich]

I wonder how many members of other political parties were given the opportunity to enter into the recent contest for the Labour Party leadership?

Anyone who paid their special £3 membership - there were stories of Tories ( was one not an MP?) joining to vote in Corbyn.

I wonder if our Tory overlords will offer such a thing in their election for leader? I also wonder if on line voting will be used. Of course it isn't safe enough for those troublesome union oiks to use but perfectly safe for decent Tory types.

 

[EM2]

An interesting point made on the BBC this morning. When Blair stood down as PM the Conservatives made a massive fuss about Labour changing the PM and not calling an election saying it was completly unreasonable to change a PM without calling a general election. Will Johnson, Gove or whoever remember that when they become Conservative leader?

The Conservatives have already done the same when John Major replaced Margaret Thatcher.

 

[AM9]

Given the tone of Leavers interviewed immediately after Cameron's resignation announcement, I think that not only were they surprised, but it also messed their plans up. They wanted him to handle the actual application and negotiations to leave, and then breeze in to do their think. Instead, by the time their man is in position:
the economy, market and pound might be looking a bit shaky
most of the leaver's lies will be exposed
and
maybe, the EU may be in a position to negotiate a transition back to the EU of 28 countries
This could change everything, or nothing.

 

[Johnuk123]

The EU may be in a position to negotiate a transition back to the EU of 28 countries

Don't get your hopes up.

 

[ExRes]

Coming down to London today the general depressed mood is quite noticable.

I'm on a train where most people are wearing suits, but are travelling in standard class. There's an air of depression from everyone apart from the elderly couple at the end of the carriage.

I used to travel to work and see people wearing suits travelling in standard class every single day, so what's different?

Surely 52% of those that voted wouldn't be depressed, would they?, while the 28% that couldn't be bothered to vote yesterday won't be bothered this morning either

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Suffering ! you talk as if he's just had a terminal diagnosis, he was on the losing side of a political referendum, hardly suffering, get a grip.

Why not have a go at the poster who thinks all Leave voters should be branded or is it only the winning side you feel the need to have a go at.

It's still suffering, even though it's obviously on a far lesser scale than say someone who's had a terminal diagnosis.

I guess you don't read these threads very thoroughly, otherwise you'd be aware that I have on a number of occasions criticised the tone of remarks made by people who are on the same side of the argument as me - the latest time being just yesterday.

I'm fairly sure that the comment about voters being branded was intended as an ironic joke and was not remotely serious.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Paul S may beg to differ

Indeed so. One of my many titles is the Honorary Yoda of RailUK...

 

[Senex]

Indeed - we cant blame other people now. At least the health service will be superb from next week when those extra £350m's per week start rolling in.

But hasn't Farage just denied that that much could ever roll in -- now that the vote is safely out of the way?

 

[Railops]

But hasn't Farage just denied that that much could ever roll in -- now that the vote is safely out of the way?

As I said earlier:

It was a Vote Leave advert which he wasn't part of, it was nothing to do with him, he criticised it at the time.
Not his fault.

 

[northwichcat]

Anyone remember 1976 when Wilson stood down and Callaghan took over ?

Gove, Johnson and Duncan-Smith were all on those opposition benches when Blair stood down and the Conservatives were calling for a General Election. If they thought it was the right thing to do then, then it must be the right thing to do now. Especially considering Brown taking over from Blair didn't change the government's position or policy, while the likely candidates to take over from Cameron are obviously less pro-EU and further to the right in the political spectrum. The likely Conservative change will almost be equivalent to Corbyn taking over from Blair as PM without an election.
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As I said earlier:

It was a Vote Leave advert which he wasn't part of, it was nothing to do with him, he criticised it at the time.
Not his fault.

People forget Farage was part of a group who didn't become the official leave group. Farage can't respond to claims they made in the same way the official leave group distanced themselves from Farage's anti-immigration poster.
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there were stories of Tories ( was one not an MP?) joining to vote in Corbyn.

I believe it was a former MP - Louise Mensch who tried to join. Given she's well known presumably Labour filtered her out.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

*wakes up after three hour power nap*

I'm pleased to say I managed all but three places to declare!

According to some reports, there is already a campaign for another referendum because Remain do not like the result. First of all, if you want to blame people then blame the 13 million odd people who either did not vote or otherwise spoilt their ballot papers. Second, the poll was carried out in a democratic manner in accordance with the traditions of this fine country...

I have to say, for what it is worth, I am sorry to see that Mr Cameron has felt the need to resign as Prime Minister as he got the UK into a win-win situation whatever happened.

 

[DarloRich]

As I said earlier:

It was a Vote Leave advert which he wasn't part of, it was nothing to do with him, he criticised it at the time.
Not his fault.

OK - that's fine then. Luckily he spent lots of time correcting that issue during the campaign.

Are there any other inaccurate statements that may have persuaded people to vote one way or the other that aren't his fault.

 

[EM2]

It was a Vote Leave advert which he wasn't part of, it was nothing to do with him, he criticised it at the time.
Not his fault.

Link?

 

[northwichcat]

According to some reports, there is already a campaign for another referendum because Remain do not like the result.

There's more justification than the SNP calling for a second referendum because 45% of people voted for an independent Scotland. The SNP have today renewed calls for a second referendum while Sinn Fein are calling for a referendum on a united Ireland within the EU after most people in Northern Ireland voted to remain. There also calls in France for a referendum on an EU exit.

 

[Steveman]

There's more justification than the SNP calling for a second referendum because 45% of people voted for an independent Scotland. The SNP have today renewed calls for a second referendum while Sinn Fein are calling for a referendum on a united Ireland within the EU after most people in Northern Ireland voted to remain. There also calls in France for a referendum on an EU exit.

Holland will be the first to get a vote.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Holland will be the first to get a vote.

Technically, we got the vote first

 

[DarloRich]

Technically, we got the vote first

technically we didn't

 

[Steveman]

Technically, we got the vote first

You aren't wrong.

 

[Howardh]

If/when Scotland goes independent, and I chose to move there, would I be a migrant, immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker?

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

technically we didn't

What do you mean?

You aren't wrong.

I know - the last time I was wrong was never
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If/when Scotland goes independent, and I chose to move there, would I be a migrant, immigrant, refugee or asylum seeker?

The Scottish leadership would have to call for another referendum which would take about a year to set up, campaign and so on... Unofficial questioning indicates that the Scots would likely vote to remain part of the UK

 

[DarloRich]

What do you mean?

there have been plenty of other refferda/dums? around Europe on various Treaties. Ireland seem to have one every couple of years!