EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Antman]

The Mirror reported Ellie Goulding made a speech for unity following Brexit at Glastonbury. The Daily Mail decided to focus on what Ms Goulding was wearing instead.

Fascinating

 

[northwichcat]

Yes David Cameron was supposed to sort out the mess! Not surprisingly he's told them where to go!

I believe Cameron's made a decision - Osborne is to write on a piece of paper "Sorry we've run out of money" and leave in the Treasury Office when Cameron goes.
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Fascinating

It's the right wing press that needs to be calling for people to unite, given how many instances of people shouting "Leave won, now get out of our country" or similar have been recorded. Yet the right wing press are too arrogant to do that and print rubbish in space where they could be doing that.

An Asian BBC journalist reported being on the receiving end of racist abuse yesterday and a Polish centre got racist graffiti scribbled on it. Today it's a Canadian reporter working in London and a man of African origin being racially abused on a Manchester Metrolink service. It seems we've gone back 100 years for race relations since the Brexit vote.

 

[WestCoast]

The local Eastern European convenience store near me is closed today with the shutters down "due to incidents".

It'll get reported in the local paper but I doubt it will go further.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Not on the ticket. In or out were the choices. We chose out. We didn't get a choice of in/out/maybe negotiate a better deal. Surely there was a plan for out winning.............

We (not me, FWIW) voted for out of the EU. That does not take a position on EEA, EFTA etc, neither for nor against. EEA/EFTA are not "the EU".
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Frankly, I'm reminded on a child throwing a tantrum and then demanding its own way with Farage.

Quite independently of any views on the in/out debate, Farage is a racist, no two ways about it. I'd love to see him up on a charge of inciting racial hatred or somesuch.

 

[Domh245]

The local Eastern European convenience near me is closed today with the shutters down "due to incidents".

a man of African origin being racially abused on a Manchester Metrolink service. It seems we've gone back 100 years for race relations since the Brexit vote.

There was also a scene on a Metrolink tram this morning

Warning: Video contains strong language and may leave you feeling disappointed in your country. Video was also filmed vertically.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I wish I'd been there. This racism is annoying me enough that I would have loved to turn it right round against the mouthing little gob and to have picked him up and thrown *him* off the tram.

I will accept that I "lost" the vote itself (my belief now is that EEA or failing that EFTA membership is the way to move forward, and as soon as possible to avoid further damage to business). I will not accept this kind of behaviour against my fellow humans. No way.

 

[Antman]

We (not me, FWIW) voted for out of the EU. That does not take a position on EEA, EFTA etc, neither for nor against. EEA/EFTA are not "the EU".
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Quite independently of any views on the in/out debate, Farage is racist, no two ways about it. I'd love to see him up on a charge of inciting racial hatred or somesuch.

What utter nonsense and it's quite sad that some people clearly voted remain purely on the basis that they didn't like Nigel Farage.

 

[TheKnightWho]

What utter nonsense and it's quite sad that some people clearly voted remain purely on the basis that they didn't like Nigel Farage.

No, Antman, it's quite obvious you voted Out precisely because you like him. You've provided a pathetic contribution to this debate, and sit on the sidelines sniping because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

 

[Antman]

I wish I'd been there. This racism is annoying me enough that I would have loved to turn it right round against the mouthing little gob and to have picked him up and thrown *him* off the tram.

I will accept that I "lost" the vote itself (my belief now is that EEA or failing that EFTA membership is the way to move forward, and as soon as possible to avoid further damage to business). I will not accept this kind of behaviour against my fellow humans. No way.

Oh for goodness sake, you won't accept this kind of behavior against your fellow humans? Who on earth do you think you are? Easy talking tough from behind a keyboard! I'm in no way condoning the incident on the tram but for goodness sake:roll:

 

[TheKnightWho]

Oh for goodness sake, you won't accept this kind of behavior against your fellow humans? Who on earth do you think you are? Easy talking tough from behind a keyboard! I'm in no way condoning the incident on the tram but for goodness sake:roll:

Hilarious. You're more annoyed by someone who says they'd stand up to racists than by the racism itself.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Certainly preferable to the grovelling of David Cameron!
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I've not come across any leave supporters sulking and I can only assume that having to resort to snide digs about how old Nigel Farage looks means that you are struggling to find any worthwhile criticisms of him?

Nigel Farage is a man who used a photograph in a poster of refugees escaping war zones to promote the Brexit

Nigel Farage is a man when, asked why he'd taken up smoking said "I think the doctors have got it all wrong"

He is a man of dubious integrity (on the former) and dubious intelligence (on the latter). Worthwhile?

Anyway, it's done now and we're out of the EU. I hope that we don't have to discuss Mr Farage anymore and his publicity seeking.

 

[northwichcat]

I hate Nigel Farage but I voted Remain because there are more advantages to being in the EU than disadvantages. Removing Farage, Johnson or Gove from the Leave campaign wouldn't have made any difference to how I voted.

 

[TheKnightWho]

Nigel Farage is a man who used a photograph in a poster of refugees escaping war zones to promote the Brexit

Nigel Farage is a man when, asked why he'd taken up smoking said "I think the doctors have got it all wrong"

He is a man of dubious integrity (on the former) and dubious intelligence (on the latter). Worthwhile?

Don't worry though - he gave Jerry a good kicking and was back in time for tea! Huzzah!

 

[Bletchleyite]

What utter nonsense and it's quite sad that some people clearly voted remain purely on the basis that they didn't like Nigel Farage.

No, my vote (to remain) was selected because, while I believe the EU has significant faults, we are better placed to address these from within. Furthermore, there is always the option to leave later if things were to proceed in an unacceptable direction.

I am very strongly of the view that personalities should not have influenced anyone's view either way.

This does not affect my view that Farage is racist scum. (The party was founded on the basis of a legitimate political aim, to leave the EU, but is now really just a slightly moderate version of the BNP, and I wish moderate people who still vote for it on the original ticket would see it for what it now is).
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Anyway, it's done now and we're out of the EU. I hope that we don't have to discuss Mr Farage anymore and his publicity seeking.

As the party has now achieved its founding aim, I would like nothing more than to see it disband, with Farage out of politics permanently.

 

[Antman]

No, my vote (to remain) was selected because, while I believe the EU has significant faults, we are better placed to address these from within. Furthermore, there is always the option to leave later if things were to proceed in an unacceptable direction.

I am very strongly of the view that personalities should not have influenced anyone's view either way.

This does not affect my view that Farage is racist scum. (The party was founded on the basis of a legitimate political aim, to leave the EU, but is now really just a slightly moderate version of the BNP, and I wish moderate people who still vote for it on the original ticket would see it for what it now is).

Throwing abuse at somebody really isn't the way to go in a grown ups debate:roll:

 

[TheKnightWho]

Throwing abuse at somebody really isn't the way to go in a grown ups debate:roll:

That's all you ever do! Christ - it's like arguing with a child at times. Absolutely no perspective.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Oh for goodness sake, you won't accept this kind of behavior against your fellow humans? Who on earth do you think you are? Easy talking tough from behind a keyboard! I'm in no way condoning the incident on the tram but for goodness sake:roll:

Do you condone the behaviour? Everyone who does not condone it should stand up against it and stop it. Now. It is not welcome in my country in any form.

If he holds that view it is his entitlement to do so, and further it by legitimate political means if he so wishes (here's hoping that enough sensible people don't hold the view that they will make that irrelevant). But he does not have the right to intimidate people on public transport who are legally in the United Kingdom just because he happens to think they should not be so entitled.
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Throwing abuse at somebody really isn't the way to go in a grown ups debate:roll:

OK, then, Farage is a racist and a disagreeable character as a whole, if you prefer.

I have never felt so strongly about anything as this. And by "this" I don't mean the vote to leave - it is a legitimate political aim - I mean the racism. Racism is not acceptable and it must be challenged.

 

[northwichcat]

Farage to MEPs today "Most of you have never done a proper job in your lives"

Most of them haven't been absent for 19/20 meetings for a committee they are a member of. I wonder if Farage returned party of his MEP salary for only doing part of his job.

 

[radamfi]

I'm a big fan of non-political phone-in radio and the main guy in Britain who does that at the moment is Iain Lee who currently has a show on the new digital radio station talkRADIO. There's a caller on there called Jonathan who I had always thought was very interesting and articulate. In the last week or so we (in the radio listening community) have discovered that he has the lovely Twitter handle of @WomenObeyUKIP and sent threatening Tweets to various MPs in the run up to the referendum, leading to an arrest

https://twitter.com/SLATFascists/status/747182067042103296

 

[WestCoast]

It just goes to show how proportional and representative the European Parliament actually is compared to the House of Commons, you have people like Farage and Marine Le Pen sitting with representatives of parties from across the political spectrum. UKIP of course struggled to elect just one MP to Westminster. So, yes, the Brexiters are taking back control indeed, but giving it all to the Conservatives.

 

[radamfi]

I had a tear in my eye when I watched the speech given by the SNP member to the European Parliament which was given a standing ovation. Obviously Farage didn't clap.

 

[TheKnightWho]

I had a tear in my eye when I watched the speech given by the SNP member to the European Parliament which was given a standing ovation. Obviously Farage didn't clap.

Sovereignty only matters when it's his own self-absorbed version of it. Utterly awful man.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Indeed. The SNP seem to be just about the only politicians who are coming out of this smelling of the proverbial roses.

Perhaps they might consider fielding some candidates in England. At the moment I'd seriously consider it.

 

[Antman]

Do you condone the behaviour? Everyone who does not condone it should stand up against it and stop it. Now. It is not welcome in my country in any form.

If he holds that view it is his entitlement to do so, and further it by legitimate political means if he so wishes (here's hoping that enough sensible people don't hold the view that they will make that irrelevant). But he does not have the right to intimidate people on public transport who are legally in the United Kingdom just because he happens to think they should not be so entitled.
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OK, then, Farage is a racist and a disagreeable character as a whole, if you prefer.

I have never felt so strongly about anything as this. And by "this" I don't mean the vote to leave - it is a legitimate political aim - I mean the racism. Racism is not acceptable and it must be challenged.

Of course nobody has the right to shout abuse at anybody on public transport whatever their motive.

If you think Farage is a racist that's your opinion to which you entitled but should you really be saying it on here?

 

[WestCoast]

I've never had a particularly strong feeling about Farage, but I do feel he was really quite vile today.

To be balanced, what do his supporters on here feel is his appeal? Is it his stance as being a representative of the ordinary people or his stance on the EU or a mixture of both? I'm genuinely quite curious about him, as he's one of the key drivers.

 

[TheKnightWho]

Of course nobody has the right to shout abuse at anybody on public transport whatever their motive.

If you think Farage is a racist that's your opinion to which you entitled but should you really be saying it on here?

Oh right - so you condemn racism, but you'll only let people condemn it in their minds?

If you're more bothered by someone being called a racist than you are about seeing whether they're actually are a racist then you need some good, hard self-reflection.

 

[Mvann]

And in other news, when trump gets elected as president of America, he will get a new trade deal done with Britain just to spite the EU

 

[Rich McLean]

And in other news, when trump gets elected as president of America, he will get a new trade deal done with Britain just to spite the EU

Not if the UK join the EEA which is the most likely scenario, as under those rules, we will be unable to.

 

[Bletchleyite]

If you think Farage is a racist that's your opinion to which you entitled but should you really be saying it on here?

Unless the moderators disagree in which case they are at liberty to delete it, it is on topic for the thread, so I see no specific reason why it should not be said here.

 

[anme]

I've not come across any leave supporters sulking and I can only assume that having to resort to snide digs about how old Nigel Farage looks means that you are struggling to find any worthwhile criticisms of him?

Look at how unhappy the leave supporters are on here. Nobody likes to be proven so spectacularly wrong so quickly, and these people don't really have the wherewithal to defend themselves.

I started writing about how Nigel Garage is a vile little man and his behaviour in the European Parliament showed everything that is wrong with the whole concept of patriotism, but I didn't post it as I thought it was obvious.