EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Domh245]

Quote from Boris Johnson: People of Britain can always work in the EU: reside, study, buy houses and life. There will always be free trade and access to the internal market. Only thing that changes are dumping of the EU laws.

Anyone with half a brain knew that that situation was highly improbable, and anyone who is capable of listening to the news coming out of Brussels will also know that the EU have categorically said that it won't happen.

 

[Antman]

Quote from Boris Johnson: People of Britain can always work in the EU: reside, study, buy houses and life. There will always be free trade and access to the internal market. Only thing that changes are dumping of the EU laws.

Well; does this also apply for EU-citizens from the mainland going to the UK. So the other way around. If not, than we have to remove the UK as soon as possible from the EU.

Oh; did i already tell something about racism in the UK. As this picture from Romford highlights:

Source: Romford Recorder

Interesting that the police officers in the background don't seem to be overly concerned about the t shirt, yes it's a bit stupid but hardly a big deal.

 

[danielnez1]

I've been thinking about the situation with the Eurozone. IMO what they need to secure it's long term future if tighter political and economic integration, obviously something which wouldn’t have included the UK (had we voted to remain), Denmark and possibly Sweden if they vote against the Euro.

If we had voted to remain and if the Eurozone countries eventually opted for tighter integration, I wonder what two-tier EU would have looked like with us in the peripheral?

 

[GatwickDepress]

Interesting that the police officers in the background don't seem to be overly concerned about the t shirt, yes it's a bit stupid but hardly a big deal.

The slippery slope to the casual acceptance of xenophobia is "hardly a big deal"?

 

[danielnez1]

I've been thinking about the situation with the Eurozone. IMO what they need to secure it's long term future if tighter political and economic integration, obviously something which wouldn’t have included the UK (had we voted to remain), Denmark and possibly Sweden if they vote against the Euro.

If we had voted to remain and if the Eurozone countries eventually opted for tighter integration, I wonder what two-tier EU would have looked like with us in the peripheral?

 

[Harbornite]

Interesting that the police officers in the background don't seem to be overly concerned about the t shirt, yes it's a bit stupid but hardly a big deal.

I wonder who he wants to send back if he was asked. Probably anyone with a non-british accent or skin that isn't white.

 

[Mvann]

The thing is, I have had my voice heard in the referendum and it's sent shock waved through the EU. We have wanted reform in the EU, but all the politicians end up doing is tinker around the edges and say that's the best they can do. The EU is set in its ways and no matter which party I vote for there was never going to be a major reform coming any time soon. The nearest to any reform was when it looked like Greece may have to leave either the euro or the union, but the EU couldn't allow that to happen because who would have to leave next? Ireland, Portugal, Spain?

 

[Nevillehill]

There was also a scene on a Metrolink tram this morning

Warning: Video contains strong language and may leave you feeling disappointed in your country. Video was also filmed vertically.

The racist comes across as a benefits sponger and someone of low intelligence.

 

[Harbornite]

The slippery slope to the casual acceptance of xenophobia is "hardly a big deal"?

Ant also probably thinks that throwing a pretol bomb through a shop window or graffitiing the house of an immigrant is "hardly a big deal" as well.

 

[Mvann]

The racist comes across as a benefits sponger and someone of low intelligence.

You missed the under 16 year old. Another great advert for the British education system

 

[Antman]

Ant also probably thinks that throwing a pretol bomb through a shop window or graffitiing the house of an immigrant is "hardly a big deal" as well.

What a ridiculous thing to say, even by your low standards!

 

[Howardh]

Source: Romford Recorder

Clearly an Iceland fan

Unfortunately, England doesn't want them back. Bit of an impasse there for Boris to sort out...

 

[Harbornite]

The racist comes across as a benefits sponger and someone of low intelligence.

A mouth breathing fool with less IQ points than teeth by the looks of things. At least some of the other passengers stuck up for the other guy.
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What a ridiculous thing to say, even by your low standards!

Prove me wrong then, what do think of it? Also I'll have you know that my standards are considerably higher than yours as I actually did some research on the EU and I made an informed vote in the referendum, unlike yourself.

 

[Antman]

The slippery slope to the casual acceptance of xenophobia is "hardly a big deal"?

And are you equally concerned about those who burn poppies and suggest that British soldiers should burn in hell or is that somehow different?

 

[Harbornite]

And are you equally concerned about those who burn poppies and suggest that British soldiers should burn in hell or is that somehow different?

Yes. They are also scum who are as ignorant as these chaps, and deserve the same level of respect (or lack of). These people are all different branches of the same tree of stupidity.

 

[Antman]

Yes. They are also scum who are as ignorant as these chaps, and deserve the same level of respect (or lack of). These people are all different branches of the same tree of stupidity.

Well I'm glad that we agree on that!

 

[EM2]

Interesting that the police officers in the background don't seem to be overly concerned about the t shirt, yes it's a bit stupid but hardly a big deal.

Not surprising, seeing as they're stood behind him. The great British bobby possesses many sterling qualities, but X-ray vision is not one of them.

 

[Harbornite]

Well I'm glad that we agree on that!

This reminds me of the recent edmonton tube attack and the murder of Lee Rigby. No one with a working brain can justify these despicable acts. I don't agree with the british intervention in Iraq beginning in 2003, but I can understand the reasons behind the Afghan and Syria interventions. Either way, stabbing people isn't the way to protest agains these.

 

[anme]

And are you equally concerned about those who burn poppies and suggest that British soldiers should burn in hell or is that somehow different?

Genuine question - what do you and others think of this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...embrance-rituals-make-me-see-red-8927751.html

(to be clear, I'm not defending anything)

 

[Bletchleyite]

Interesting. I don't think I'd agree - while I am generally anti-war (with some exceptions) the poppy and Remembrance are a wider thing to me, not just about the World Wars but also about deaths from terrorism etc, and the futility of it all sometimes.

 

[Harbornite]

Genuine question - what do you and others think of this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...embrance-rituals-make-me-see-red-8927751.html

(to be clear, I'm not defending anything)

I agree with the stance on WW1 being a senseless waste. It was the result of nationalism and Britain's involvement was triggered by a chain of events that began in the Balkans which should not have concerned us. The Versailles treaty that followed it was also pretty poor as it only served to lay the foundations for a more destructive war. It can be argued that war is part of nature, unfortunately, so attempts to limit it are good. As for the poppy, I don't see an issue with it and the Tower of London Poppy moat was a good way of symbolising just how many lives were lost. This should serve as a warning to avoid war and I wouldn't say that the poppy is used to justify war.

 

[Antman]

Not surprising, seeing as they're stood behind him. The great British bobby possesses many sterling qualities, but X-ray vision is not one of them.

He's probably just a plonker out for a bit of publicity, which he has now got.

 

[Harbornite]

He's probably just a plonker out for a bit of publicity, which he has now got.

At least you admit he's a plonker. There are genuine reasons to dislike the EU but migrants aren't one of them.

 

[Antman]

Genuine question - what do you and others think of this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...embrance-rituals-make-me-see-red-8927751.html

(to be clear, I'm not defending anything)

I don't agree but I would defend somebodys right to express such an opinion.

 

[Bletchleyite]

At least you admit he's a plonker. There are genuine reasons to dislike the EU but migrants aren't one of them.

It could be argued, and take this on the basis of me being a Remain voter, that *unfair* migration *is* one of them, i.e. that we should not be giving an advantage to those from specific countries, but instead allow a wider range of migration from a wider set of countries, both on the basis of need (refugees) and on the basis of what they can give to the UK and what the UK can give to them (economic migrants).

I'm not fundamentally opposed, on that basis, to a points-based immigration system of some kind applied equally to all countries (so retaining a similar amount of immigration, but it being from a wider source), though it would have to start from the baseline of "everyone who is currently here legally can stay".

 

[Harbornite]

It could be argued, and take this on the basis of me being a Remain voter, that *unfair* migration *is* one of them, i.e. that we should not be giving an advantage to those from specific countries, but instead allow a wider range of migration from a wider set of countries, both on the basis of need (refugees) and on the basis of what they can give to the UK and what the UK can give to them (economic migrants).

I'm not fundamentally opposed, on that basis, to a points-based immigration system of some kind applied equally to all countries (so retaining a similar amount of immigration, but it being from a wider source), though it would have to start from the baseline of "everyone who is currently here legally can stay".

Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. Being racist towards migrants is wrong and you know this too because they by and large make positive contributions to the country, but the UK's policy on immigration hasn't been great and the state of the NHS could be used to justify policy changes to avoud unsustainable levels of immigration. Having said that, I wonder if the chap in the photo really cares about where migrants are from, and sending them home isn't the way to deal with the problem in any way.

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

There was also a scene on a Metrolink tram this morning

Warning: Video contains strong language and may leave you feeling disappointed in your country. Video was also filmed vertically.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-36656382

Two men and a teenager have been arrested over a suspected "hate" crime on a tram in Manchester city centre.

It did seem that the muppets never even considered that they might be recorded.

 

[anme]

It could be argued, and take this on the basis of me being a Remain voter, that *unfair* migration *is* one of them, i.e. that we should not be giving an advantage to those from specific countries, but instead allow a wider range of migration from a wider set of countries, both on the basis of need (refugees) and on the basis of what they can give to the UK and what the UK can give to them (economic migrants).

I'm not fundamentally opposed, on that basis, to a points-based immigration system of some kind applied equally to all countries (so retaining a similar amount of immigration, but it being from a wider source), though it would have to start from the baseline of "everyone who is currently here legally can stay".

You realise that freedom of movement applies to you as well, right? And to all other UK citizens? For the time being, anyway.

No one on this thread has ever said that freedom of movement within the EU (and EEA) is an amazing right and privilege for us to have.
Apart from one person.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Quite independently of any views on the in/out debate, Farage is filthy racist scum, no two ways about it. I'd love to see him strung up on a charge of inciting racial hatred or somesuch.

Farage has blood on his hands in my opinion, with regard to the assassination of Jo Cox. He's contributed nothing of value to the debate and his outrageous behaviour at the European Parliament earlier was crass, classless and does the reputation of Brits abroad even less favour than the England football supporters (or indeed the players!). He's just gone on to make a tit of himself on Danish TV too.

If your actions or "achievements" earn the admiration of Le Pen (either of them), then they're at best a Phyrric victory.

 

[Howardh]

Farage has blood on his hands in my opinion, with regard to the assassination of Jo Cox. He's contributed nothing of value to the debate and his outrageous behaviour at the European Parliament earlier was crass, classless and does the reputation of Brits abroad even less favour than the England football supporters (or indeed the players!). He's just gone on to make a tit of himself on Danish TV too.

If your actions or "achievements" earn the admiration of Le Pen (either of them), then they're at best a Phyrric victory.

We so need a *like* button.