Incident at Wandsworth Common 07/08/16

[Bayum]

The DailyStar's report is incorrect. The deceased hit a piece of lineside equipment. Not a train.

 

[Harbornite]

I'd agree in normal circumstances, but to be honest the fundamental piece of the news story is that a person was hanging out of a window. Having a picture of a train which visibly has no opening windows is worse than having no picture at all.

It doesn't really matter.

 

[gavin]

A number of media outlets are picking up on this now

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...ow-at-wandsworth-common-station-a3313986.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-train-window-wandsworth-common-a7177791.html

 

[AlterEgo]

Indeed wrong.
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The other has used a rather gruesome photo of the exact train. Any better?

Disagree that it's "gruesome". The picture shows the open window. This is a fundamental part of the story.
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Have a word with yourself, you're getting worked up over a picture. Someones family are going to be getting the worst possible news. It is a picture. Thats it

I made a passing comment, which I stand by.

Obviously someone's getting some bad news but I don't think it precludes someone saying "this isn't a relevant picture to the news story and it adds nothing to it".
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It doesn't really matter.

Not to you, but Mrs AlterEgo picked up on the story and said "I've been on those trains ages ago, are you sure they have opening windows?"
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Anyway, we aren't allowed to talk about pictures of trains, but let's do indulge into the circumstances of the incident...crack on chaps.

 

[J-2739]

Awful, awful news. Sadly, this is what happens when you stick your head out of a train, you may not react to what is approaching fast. Not a good idea on a 100mph train. Does anyone know what piece of infrastructure met his head?

My thoughts are with his family and friends

 

[AlterEgo]

Awful, awful news. Sadly, this is what happens when you stick your head out of a train, you may not react to what is approaching fast. Not a good idea on a 100mph train. Does anyone know what piece of infrastructure met his head?

My thoughts are with his family and friends

It wasn't infrastructure, it was an oncoming train.

 

[GB]

No other train was involved. Don't believe everything you read on "news" sites.

 

[Surreytraveller]

If that is the case then many reports on the incident are wrong.

As is normally the case.

 

[Bayum]

It wasn't infrastructure, it was an oncoming train.

The report I've been shown has infrastructure... Just goes to show how no-one knows the exact story!

 

[Dhassell]

No one is really quite sure whether it was another Train or Line Side Equipment, Either way does it really matter? It has the same sad outcome either way.

 

[RichardKing]

Disagree that it's "gruesome". The picture shows the open window. This is a fundamental part of the story.

I can see, what looks like, quite a prominent stain (which I can only assume is blood) on the blue strip, next to the door indicator light (sorry if that's the wrong name for it) on the unit.

 

[Harbornite]

It wasn't infrastructure, it was an oncoming train.

As you rightly inferred, it's best not to speculate. However, members of staff in this thread mentioned that the individual collided with a stanchion. It's best to wait until the circumstances are reported officially.

 

[Flying_Turtle]

Is the infrastructure gauge that restricted in that area?
Unless he was seriously hanging, if this was done by a simple look out of the window, then it you have some really tight spots there!

 

[AlterEgo]

The report I've been shown has infrastructure... Just goes to show how no-one knows the exact story!

He must have been a very long way out.

I'll confess to have done some window hanging (as in, poking a single eye out), when I was younger. I've never even come close to striking anything near the railway.

 

[tbtc]

The DailyStar's report is incorrect. The deceased hit a piece of lineside equipment. Not a train.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...in-incident-on-gatwick-bound-train?CMP=twt_gu

The Guardian have also taken the "hit by another train" approach to the story:

A man has died after leaning out of a train window and being hit by another train, it is understood.

The Gatwick Express passenger was pronounced dead at the scene after the incident at Wandsworth Common station.

A spokeswoman for London Ambulance Service said: “We were called at 5.34pm to reports of an incident at Wandsworth Common railway station.

“We sent an ambulance crew, a single responder and a car and an incident response officer to the scene alongside an air ambulance. We treated a person at the scene for a head injury but sadly they were pronounced dead by the doctor from the air ambulance.”

(for those of you who care about these things, they have illustrated their story with a picture of a 442 - 442418 - though I'm not going to get into an argument about the rights and wrongs of sticking your head out of a window or worrying about the pictures being used - will just state my condolences for the kith/kin of anyone involved in what sounds like a horribly way to die)

 

[Bayum]

Well it does matter.

It was shown only yesterday that the news companies and members of the public google information and come across this forum more often than not. It should either be 'acknowledged and proven' facts, or nothing at all.

 

[Surreytraveller]

I don't think we need to be going into that sort of detail.

The only things needing said are thoughts with those involved and don't be stupid when presented with droplight stock.

Why not? No one is asking for a picture of the scene!

 

[RichardKing]

It wasn't infrastructure, it was an oncoming train.

Well, judging by the image on the Daily Star report, the person must have been struck by some sort of railway infrastructure; the incident window appears to be on the left-hand side of the unit and the train was travelling on the 'Up Brighton Fast' line, meaning that no other units would be to the left of it.

 

[Antman]

Have a word with yourself, you're getting worked up over a picture. Someones family are going to be getting the worst possible news. It is a picture. Thats it

He's just making a reasonable point, seems you're the one getting worked up about it.

 

[J-2739]

It wasn't infrastructure, it was an oncoming train.

A train is a part of infrastructure, right?

 

[GB]

A train is a part of infrastructure, right?

...No

 

[thenorthern]

This reminds me of why the dmus on the Cumbrian coast line had bars on the windows of the coaches as there are low bridges and tunnels along the line.

Very tragic incident involved today though and thoughts are with all those involved.

 

[bb21]

No one is really quite sure whether it was another Train or Line Side Equipment, Either way does it really matter? It has the same sad outcome either way.

"Struck a line-side object", so the Daily Pornstar, is wrong again.

Yes, I am sure. There is no collision with another train. Incident no 1452757 for anyone with appropriate access.

2411 is the unit involved. Apparently one of the fellow passengers and her daughter saw what happened. God bless them. I hope this does not cause them any long-term psychological damage.

 

[74A]

I thought the door windows on that type could only be opened with a key ? However the picture seems to show the door concerned was the old door that used to be used by the guard (when one was provided) so I assume that window can be opened ?

 

[bb21]

I thought the door windows on that type could only be opened with a key ? However the picture seems to show the door concerned was the old door that used to be used by the guard (when one was provided) so I assume that window can be opened ?

That window can be opened without a key, yes.

 

[AlterEgo]

I thought the door windows on that type could only be opened with a key ? However the picture seems to show the door concerned was the old door that used to be used by the guard (when one was provided) so I assume that window can be opened ?

The droplight in question is near the guard's old compartment. It can be pushed down without a key.

The ones in the passenger doors however do need a key.

Obviously window hanging is very stupid - and a lot of us on here will have done it - sympathies with the victim's family.

 

[tsr]

I've always felt the need to be especially careful in that area, but having had to look out of droplights in a professional capacity on the line involved, I have to say this still sounds on the extreme end of "window-hanging" (not to condone any variation amongst those not permitted, of course). I've certainly not heard of any other train involved either. Apparently a very distressing incident for a number present and my sympathies to all.

I doubt there has been a similar incident, at least amongst passengers, on the GTR network for quite some time. There are actually Sectional Appendix instructions in some areas prohibiting use of droplights but I'm pretty sure this is not one.

 

[Harbornite]

A train is a part of infrastructure, right?

In this instance, infrastructure refers to things like gantries, stanchions, signals and bridges. Trains are not infrastructure.

 

[driver_m]

He's just making a reasonable point, seems you're the one getting worked up about it.

Probably shouldn't even give this the dignity of a reply. So I'll say this, RIP to the person involved, and thoughts with the passengers, traincrew, lineside staff & BTP who have to deal with this utter tragedy.

 

[Antman]

Probably shouldn't even give this the dignity of a reply. So I'll say this, RIP to the person involved, and thoughts with the passengers, traincrew, lineside staff & BTP who have to deal with this utter tragedy.

None of whom are likely to read your message.