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December 2016 Timetable changes

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Half-hourly services to Leeds on Saturdays and Sundays are playing catch-up. These are many years overdue. It's pleasing to see the incremental increase. That 2257 King's Cross to York is also quite unexpected and remarkably positive development. Slight shame it doesn't pick up at Peterborough though. It's only taken 18 months for the positive effects of the new franchise to become noticeable (in small enough ways as they are and with all of the associated negatives too but let's not focus on that here :p).
 
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Lots of small changes for Bolton. For example, the daily 07:22 Crewe to Bolton is cut back to terminate Manchester Piccadilly. Presumably this is to allow for the service to run as an EMU (despite still being timed for a DMU)

Now: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y14292/2016/10/03
Future: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y64118/2016/12/19
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Not sure whether anyone has stated this, but unfortunately you picked a date (19/12/16) which is in a big blockade starting on 18/12/16 until 02/01/17 to re-model and re-signal Ordsall Lane Junction and Ordsall Chord work.
 
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Interestingly the 22.57 KX goes direct from Doncaster to York, while the 22.00 to Newcastle goes via Askern, presumably for route knowledge. The EAS only shows possessions on eight days a year with a note regarding SLW for 1E06 POSTAL, but presumably means the 22.57 will also take it.
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It appears to return as a cl.3 ECS to work the next mornings Doncaster-Edinburgh, while there is an ECS from Skipton to Doncaster IEP to work the existing 05.35 Newark-KX starting Doncaster. To my mind the 30 minute earlier arrival of the first train from Doncaster at KX seems to be the biggest improvement, unless you live at Morpeth!
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There is also a 10.03 Sunday KX-Edinburgh in RTT etc.
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Elsewhere what seems a a strange change is that the 20.29 FSX Swansea-Swindon is extended to Paddington, although most weeks it seems to get cut back for engineering anyway!. The balance would appear to be the set off the 18.06 Paddington-Frome going to SPM vice OOC.
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Not already noted that I can see - XC Bournemouth - Manchester are being sped up to get ahead of the xx20 Euston - Manchester's. The XC's however have been overtimed with allowances slighly to Macclesfield, so the VT service has also been overtimed with additional timing allowances to Macclesfield but is still booked into Manchester at xx28.
 
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323235 said:
Not already noted that I can see - XC Bournemouth - Manchester are being sped up to get ahead of the xx20 Euston - Manchester's. The XC's however have been overtimed with allowances slighly to Macclesfield, so the VT service has also been overtimed with additional timing allowances to Macclesfield but is still booked into Manchester at xx28.
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Was noted around posts #45, 46, 48.
 
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They're slowing the trains down on the Enfield Town/LST lines adding an extra minute? Bizare. Probs to cover up the usual one minute delay between SVS and Edmonton. Should instead focus on speeding trains up around hackney...
 
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The last trains from Nottingham to Leicester were 2132,2135 and 2310. It seems the 2135 is being moved to 2201 on Mon-Fri which spreads these departures out slightly better and also provides a slightly later train to Barrow, Sileby and Syston.
 
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To summarise - new timetable pdfs available so far:

Northern
Transpennine Express
Cross Country
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70014IronDuke said:
I thought there were supposed to be extra trains via Frome/Yeovil P Mill? - I can't see as anything has changed.
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The changes were outlined in the SWT press release:

- An additional two trains per day between London Waterloo and Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome – bringing the total to three
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The 16:50 and 18:50 London Waterloo to Yeovil Pen Mill are being extended to Salisbury via Frome and Westbury- it's really replacing the separate London Waterloo-Yeovil Pen Mill and Yeovil Pen Mill-Salisbury services by two through services. The times from Yeovil Pen Mill have changed to reflect this.

- A new Friday Night train to Yeovil Junction departing London Waterloo at 11.40pm serving Tisbury, Gillingham, Templecombe and Sherborne

- A Sunday evening service from Frome, Westbury and Warminster to Clapham Junction and London Waterloo
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These are in the timetable.

- A new Saturday morning service for Weymouth, Dorchester and Wareham to London Waterloo
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This operates at 06:20 from Weymouth.

- A later last train on Saturdays evening - the 8.20pm Waterloo to Yeovil Junction is extended to Crewkerne and Axminster

- On weekdays the 6.15am Yeovil Junction to Exeter will start from Gillingham
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These are in the timetable.

- The 7.25am Exeter St Davids to London Waterloo will be extended to six carriages for its entire journey
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berneyarms said:
The changes were outlined in the SWT press release:

The 16:50 and 18:50 London Waterloo to Yeovil Pen Mill are being extended to Salisbury via Frome and Westbury- it's really replacing the separate London Waterloo-Yeovil Pen Mill and Yeovil Pen Mill-Salisbury services by two through services. The times from Yeovil Pen Mill have changed to reflect this.

These are in the timetable.
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Indeed they are.
And what a lot of tosh. In other words, there are NO extra services in reality on a weekday. i doubt anyone in their right minds will use these services to go to Bruton or Frome from Waterloo - it will be quicker to change at Salisbury and Westbury. Unless on an SWT only ticket.

The only real change is a Sundays' only Salisbury - Frome and 18.05 Frome-Waterloo. This is a genuine improvement. The rest - as regards Frome - is SWT smoke and mirrors.
 
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70014IronDuke said:
Indeed they are.
And what a lot of tosh. In other words, there are NO extra services in reality on a weekday. i doubt anyone in their right minds will use these services to go to Bruton or Frome from Waterloo - it will be quicker to change at Salisbury and Westbury. Unless on an SWT only ticket.

The only real change is a Sundays' only Salisbury - Frome and 18.05 Frome-Waterloo. This is a genuine improvement. The rest - as regards Frome - is SWT smoke and mirrors.
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I agree about the wording - they aren't extra services at all. However, the timings have been tightened up which is an improvement.

However, with reference to your point about people not using them from Waterloo, the connections via Salisbury and Westbury are actually really poor and with one exception the direct service is actually faster.

Of course anyone travelling from London would probably use the direct GWR service from Paddington to Frome.
 
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berneyarms said:
I agree about the wording - they aren't extra services at all. However, the timings have been tightened up which is an improvement.

However, with reference to your point about people not using them from Waterloo, the connections via Salisbury and Westbury are actually really poor and with one exception the direct service is actually faster.
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OK. I just wish they'd say what they'd done - eg "we have tightened up our services via Yeovil junction and Pen Mill to provide more through trains to Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome. It's true these are via Templecombe, and therefore not so fast, but in many cases they are faster and definitely more convenient than changing at Salisbury and Westbury."

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Of course anyone travelling from London would probably use the direct GWR service from Paddington to Frome.
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yes, ok, unless you happen to be at or very close to Waterloo - and then there are people travelling from Clapham jcn, Woking, etc. I don't want to decry these services at all - I applaud them - but the way swt introduced the latest changes feels like a con trick
 
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70014IronDuke said:
OK. I just wish they'd say what they'd done - eg "we have tightened up our services via Yeovil junction and Pen Mill to provide more through trains to Castle Cary, Bruton and Frome. It's true these are via Templecombe, and therefore not so fast, but in many cases they are faster and definitely more convenient than changing at Salisbury and Westbury."



yes, ok, unless you happen to be at or very close to Waterloo - and then there are people travelling from Clapham jcn, Woking, etc. I don't want to decry these services at all - I applaud them - but the way swt introduced the latest changes feels like a con trick
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I'd agree - why some very clear wording could not be used is beyond me.
 
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Virgin (West Coast) timetables also up now. As alluded to earlier in the thread, there is mention given to the fact that the Sunday services listed may not always run as shown!
 
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berneyarms said:
I'd agree - why some very clear wording could not be used is beyond me.
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Here's how the track access application (still open?) describes it:

HY03; 1 new SX off-peak Gillingham to Exeter St. Davids Service, 1 new Sunday Salisbury to Frome Service, 1 new Sunday Frome to Waterloo Service, 1 new Saturday Waterloo to Axminster Service and 1 Friday Only (FO) off-peak Waterloo to Yeovil Junction Service.

Benefits
• Providing additional an service between Gillingham and Exeter Saint David’s, as well as creating more capacity along a busy route;
• Providing an additional service from Salisbury to Frome, and from Frome to Waterloo on a Sunday, creating additional capacity and better connectivity on a Sunday;
• Providing a Friday Only late night Weekday Service that will now terminate at Yeovil Junction instead of Salisbury;
• Providing additional capacity on a Saturday between Waterloo and Axminster and greater connectivity.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...h western trains limited - 65th sa form p.pdf
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Add to the list of TOCs that have issued new timetable pdfs - Virgin Trains East Coast, Southern, Thameslink, Great Northern
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Updated List of new TOC timetables issued to date in pdf form:

Cross Country
Great Northern
GWR
Northern
Southern
South West Trains
TfL Rail
Thameslink
Transpennine Express
Virgin Trains
Virgin Trains East Coast
 
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70014IronDuke said:
Indeed they are.
And what a lot of tosh. In other words, there are NO extra services in reality on a weekday. i doubt anyone in their right minds will use these services to go to Bruton or Frome from Waterloo - it will be quicker to change at Salisbury and Westbury. Unless on an SWT only ticket.

The only real change is a Sundays' only Salisbury - Frome and 18.05 Frome-Waterloo. This is a genuine improvement. The rest - as regards Frome - is SWT smoke and mirrors.
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What about the 23:40 from Waterloo on Fridays? Is Friday no longer a weekday?
 
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