General Election 2017: The Results and Aftermath

[backontrack]

The Times are reporting that May has been given 10 days to turn her leadership around or she'll face a leadership challenge

Strong and stable, everyone. Strong and stable.

 

[najaB]

Quite a few people do seem to think that the future for Trade is in many other parts of the World and not the EU, and that yes in the short term we will loose Jobs due to reduction in EU trade but in the long term it might be better, I guess you pays your money and makes your choice as to whether you believe that or not.

It seems odd to me that you'd ignore the market at your doorstep in favour of ones on the other side of the world, but hey.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Strong and stable, everyone. Strong and stable.

How many postings on various threads have you made exactly that same comment upon now...:roll:

 

[Darandio]

How many postings on various threads have you made exactly that same comment upon now...:roll:

It's worth reminding people as much as possible. Because despite the promises of strong and stable, it's anything but. It's a farce.

 

[najaB]

How many postings on various threads have you made exactly that same comment upon now...:roll:

I'm not sure who's said it more often - backontrack or Theresa May.

 

[takno]

I'm not sure who's said it more often - backontrack or Theresa May.

The difference is that when backontrack said it it sounded believable.

 

[fowler9]

I think backontrack is spot on. I don't think the irony is lost on any of us when it comes to Theresa May going on about about being Strong and Stable and a possible Labour Coalition of Chaos.

 

[Stuwhu]

How many postings on various threads have you made exactly that same comment upon now...:roll:

If you click on their profile name and go to "find more posts by" you should be able to find this information.

 

[PHILIPE]

Corbyn has now re-appointed "walking disaster" Abbott as shadow Home Secretary. No mention if she's issued with an Abacus Frame to help her to count.

 

[backontrack]

I'm not sure who's said it more often - backontrack or Theresa May.

The difference is that when backontrack said it it sounded believable. ()

It's worth reminding people as much as possible. Because despite the promises of strong and stable, it's anything but. It's a farce.

I think backontrack is spot on. I don't think the irony is lost on any of us when it comes to Theresa May going on about about being Strong and Stable and a possible Labour Coalition of Chaos.

Thanks guys

Me123 started it to be fair. But we do need to keep pointing it it, because Darandio is right. This government is a farce. And just saying that "Labour would have been worse" doesn't make the current situation any better.

 

[najaB]

The Queen's Speech is tomorrow and I haven't heard that there's a deal agreed with the DUP. Did I miss something?

 

[Darandio]

The Queen's Speech is tomorrow and I haven't heard that there's a deal agreed with the DUP. Did I miss something?

It's now Wednesday the 21st.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...ayed-by-two-days-amid-dup-talks-a3565911.html

On Thursday, newly-appointed Leader of the Commons Andrea Leadsom announced it would go ahead two days later than planned.

She said in a statement: "The Government has agreed with Buckingham Palace that the State Opening of Parliament will take place on 21 June 2017."

 

[bramling]

It's worth reminding people as much as possible. Because despite the promises of strong and stable, it's anything but. It's a farce.

Yes, you're right, it's a farce. The current situation is potentially very bad for the future of the country, and people need to think about this before trying to score political points.

 

[47802]

Corbyn has now re-appointed "walking disaster" Abbott as shadow Home Secretary. No mention if she's issued with an Abacus Frame to help her to count.

Good the more idiots Corbyn appoints to his shadow cabinet the better in my book.

As for those Labour MP's that have now changed their mind about Corbyn including some now willing to serve in his cabinet are frankly an utter disgrace, not that I'm saying some others in other parties are much better mind.

 

[northwichcat]

The Queen's Speech is tomorrow and I haven't heard that there's a deal agreed with the DUP. Did I miss something?

And the Conservatives are preventing The Queen from giving a speech next year

There will be no Queen's Speech next year to give MPs more time to deal with Brexit laws, the government says.

Leader of the Commons Andrea Leadsom said the next parliamentary session was being doubled in length to two years.

The highly unusual move would allow MPs to scrutinise "substantial amounts of legislation", she said.

Announcing the scrapping of the 2018 event, Mrs Leadsom said the European Union exit legislation would begin with the "Great Repeal Bill".

She said: "We will build the broadest possible consensus for our Brexit plans, and that means giving Parliament the maximum amount of time to scrutinise these bills by holding a two-year session of Parliament.

"It will mean we can work together to deliver a successful Brexit deal and a strong social legislative programme that delivers justice and opportunity to everyone."

The government also wanted to pass "a domestic agenda which aims to tackle the social injustices in our country", she added.

Meanwhile, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has accused the government of being "in no position to negotiate a good deal for Britain" with the EU.

Writing in the Sunday Mirror, he said that if the prime minister "can't command the support of Parliament, we are ready to take that responsibility".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40317814

 

[PHILIPE]

Good the more idiots Corbyn appoints to his shadow cabinet the better in my book.

As for those Labour MP's that have now changed their mind about Corbyn including some now willing to serve in his cabinet are frankly an utter disgrace, not that I'm saying some others in other parties are much better mind.

Corbyn's ignoring them, anyway

 

[najaB]

It's now Wednesday the 21st.

Sorry, of course it is. I still haven't heard if there's a deal though.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Ironically, Theresa made a promise along the lines that "every vote for me will strengthen my hand in Brexit negotiations". Well, the Tories gained 2.3 million extra votes but due to the hung Parliament she now has a weaker hand.

Labour actually had their highest number of votes since 1997, certainly exceeding their 2001 & 2005 tallies.

Regardless of one's political affiliation, the above statements do at least suggest that the population is becoming more politically engaged. That has to be A Good Thing...

The difference is that when backontrack said it it sounded believable.

Where's that Like button?

Thanks guys

Me123 started it to be fair. But we do need to keep pointing it it, because Darandio is right. This government is a farce. And just saying that "Labour would have been worse"* doesn't make the current situation any better.

Especially as there is literally no evidence to support that claim... :roll:

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Portsmouth South is a seat that even eluded Labour under Tony Blair. The Tories lost that seat to the LibDems in 1997.

To be fair, that may be in part because the LibDem candidate and MP throughout the Blair years was Mike Hancock, who I believe was very well known locally. He had previously been prominent locally in the Labour Party before joining the SDP when the SDP was formed - so was arguably in a good position to attract voters who would normally have voted Labour. And of course the LibDems were a lot more popular nationally in those days.

 

[Dave1987]

How many postings on various threads have you made exactly that same comment upon now...:roll:

Sorry Paul but during the election campaign "strong & stable" was repeated over and over and over again by May frequently in response to any questions and even repeated twice in some sentences. So I will happily forgive people mocking her for it now. "Strong & Stable" is what she wanted to be remembered for remember!

 

[Dave1987]

Corbyn has now re-appointed "walking disaster" Abbott as shadow Home Secretary. No mention if she's issued with an Abacus Frame to help her to count.

Corbyn should have quietly shoved Abbott to the back benches.

 

[backontrack]

Corbyn should have quietly shoved Abbott to the back benches.

He can't do it now. The papers would switch all their attention to 'Labour infighting' rather than Grenfell.

Theresa May's just got herself onto the ropes. The least we need now is Corbyn to punch himself out.

 

[northwichcat]

So the Shadow Brexit Secretary has listened to the concerns businesses have raised about trade ( based on his Andrew Marr interview), yet David Davies continues to ignore them. Maybe Labour should start calling themselves 'The Party Of Business' in the same way the Conservatives have called themselves 'The Party Of Hardworking People.'

 

[backontrack]

Maybe Labour should start calling themselves 'The Party Of Business' in the same way the Conservatives have called themselves 'The Party Of Hardworking People.'

I'd put an innuendo here but I really can't be bothered.

David Davis is beginning to look like a joke. We all know he'll put up a leadership challenge when May goes...if he wants to succeed then he needs to do his job properly.

 

[Dave1987]

He can't do it now. The papers would switch all their attention to 'Labour infighting' rather than Grenfell.

Theresa May's just got herself onto the ropes. The least we need now is Corbyn to punch himself out.

We? Who's the we? Don't mistake my severe dislike of May as an approval of Corbyn! I warmed to him during the election campaign but I would never vote for him to be PM. With Corbyn as PM you get McDonnell as chancellor and that gives me a nervous shiver. Which ever party brings themselves back into the centre ground will get my vote in future elections.

I long for a Macron in the UK, the French are truly blessed with the choice they had and they seized that. Good on them.

 

[bramling]

Sorry Paul but during the election campaign "strong & stable" was repeated over and over and over again by May frequently in response to any questions and even repeated twice in some sentences. So I will happily forgive people mocking her for it now. "Strong & Stable" is what she wanted to be remembered for remember!

I can understand the sentiments, however as a country we need to move forward. Politicians come and go, some staying longer than others, however Britain is still here, and needs strong and stable government. Scoring cheap points against Theresa May doesn't really help anyone IMO.

 

[bramling]

With Corbyn as PM you get McDonnell as chancellor and that gives me a nervous shiver.

This is the problem. For however much the Conservatives have made a mess of things in the last few weeks, the prospect of the current Labour set getting near power likewise sends a shiver through my spine.

Which ever party brings themselves back into the centre ground will get my vote in future elections.

Yes, the general trend in living memory has been that the centre ground is where the votes lie. It both saddens and worries me that there might be any prospect of this situation changing. I wouldn't say the Conservatives under May are that far away from the centre ground, although yes they are advocating some true conservative policies. Labour on the other hand are way away from the centre, with some dubious history attached to some of the names, whilst others (such as Abbott) just come over as plain incompetent.

 

[takno]

I can understand the sentiments, however as a country we need to move forward. Politicians come and go, some staying longer than others, however Britain is still here, and needs strong and stable government. Scoring cheap points against Theresa May doesn't really help anyone IMO.

Strength and stability are probably rather overrated concerns. A strong and stable government can plow confidently and quickly in absolutely the wrong direction with terrible results in the long term. That said, I'd suggest that Theresa May is no longer a realistic option for strong and stable government, so if scoring cheap points against her hastens her demise it should lead to strong and stable government returning all the sooner.

Personally I think it would be a shame for her to go when she is so terribly weakened. I'd love her to stay and fight another election in a couple of months.

 

[bramling]

Strength and stability are probably rather overrated concerns. A strong and stable government can plow confidently and quickly in absolutely the wrong direction with terrible results in the long term. That said, I'd suggest that Theresa May is no longer a realistic option for strong and stable government, so if scoring cheap points against her hastens her demise it should lead to strong and stable government returning all the sooner.

Personally I think it would be a shame for her to go when she is so terribly weakened. I'd love her to stay and fight another election in a couple of months.

Would a repeat election resolve the situation? I can't see Labour's vote really going up, indeed the prospect of Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott being even remotely realistic may shift some people to the Conservatives, which could cause a disproportionate number of seats to change to blue. But another possibility is the result remains the same.

Likewise, removing May doesn't necessarily restore order. There could be a bloody leadership contest, which isn't good for the country, especially with the Brexit talks going on. Meanwhile, Labour is not a government in waiting by any means, the numbers don't add up, and the prospect of some kind of deal between the minor parties is distinctly unappealing, and would almost certainly be inherently unstable. A rubbish situation whatever way!

 

[Dave1987]

I can understand the sentiments, however as a country we need to move forward. Politicians come and go, some staying longer than others, however Britain is still here, and needs strong and stable government. Scoring cheap points against Theresa May doesn't really help anyone IMO.

We can move forward once May goes. Until then she deserves all the criticism and mockery she gets. She has been a disaster ever since she started the Brexit posturing and has got steadily worse and worse. She is anything but "strong and stable". And using the "coalition of chaos" line is really gonna bite her in the arse with this chaotic ad hoc coalition with the DUP (who are every bit as dodgy as what Corbyn is/was)