Blockade to allow Waterloo upgrade to take place, resulting in timetable changes

[Sean Emmett]

Yesterday was able to use Victory Steps to access platform 23 whereas previous Friday they were blocked off and had to access concourse near platform 5 and negotiate crowds to get to P23. Whollly unnecessary hassle and needless congestion.

Someone seems to have learned something in rhe week, which is good to see.

International platformss with covered roof will be more pleasant than main station in winter, so roll on December 2018!

 

[spark001uk]

Yesterday was able to use Vicory Steps to access P23 whereas previous Friday they were blocked off and had to access concourse near plat 5 and negotiate crowds to get to P23. Whollly unnecessary hassle and needless congestion.

The first week they changed all the mezzanine escalators to up, with the exception of the single one opposite plat 1. So people from upstairs, including everyone coming from Waterloo East, had to walk right the way along the mezz to the end, down the escalator, then walk all the way along the concourse to the open platforms! I see they've learnt and reverted them back to normal now.

 

[ijmad]

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the eventual layout and mezzanine of P20-24 in 2018, here are some planning applications showing the three levels. Gives an idea of how much there is to do in the next year (lots).

Level 0
Level 1
Level 2

 

[swt_passenger]

Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the eventual layout and mezzanine of P20-24 in 2018, here are some planning applications showing the three levels. Gives an idea of how much there is to do in the next year (lots).

Unfortunately you can't hot link to individual docs on Lambeth's planning site. I've linked to the planning reference number before, I suspect that's the only way of helping people find the docs, (unless copying them as attachments - and they don't like that at all according to the T&C).

{I've deleted a reference number here; as it was an earlier planning application}

 

[ijmad]

Unfortunately you can't hot link to individual docs on Lambeth's planning site. I've linked to the planning reference number before, I suspect that's the only way of helping people find the docs, (unless copying them as attachments - and they don't like that at all according to the T&C).

{I've deleted a reference number here; as it was an earlier planning application}

How annoying, there must be a cookie set during search :-x.
Thanks for spotting.

Looks like you can link to the application page itself, at least it worked when I checked with an incognito window: try this then PROPOSED UNDERGROUND PLAN LEVEL 00 etc.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I've been in in charters and I'm sure we overhung the starter with 2+14

Well plat 19 is the best place to do it. (or was)

Fanx for the info.Looks like something I missed.

 

[snowball]

How annoying, there must be a cookie set during search :-x.
Thanks for spotting.

Most local authority planning application sites are like that.

 

[moley]

So, tonight we learn that due to the derailment this last week, further cuts in service on this Thursday will apply.

Plats 1-14 closed and service to replicate Friday 25th's reduced service.

 

[bb21]

So, tonight we learn that due to the derailment this last week, further cuts in service on this Thursday will apply.

Plats 1-14 closed and service to replicate Friday 25th's reduced service.

That's correct, following discussions between FirstMTR and Network Rail.

Emails circulated to staff late afternoon today.

 

[IrishDave]

Network Rail press release (from here), with my emphasis:

Engineering work at London’s Waterloo station to increase capacity by 30% will see platforms 1 to 14 closed from next Thursday (24 August) and throughout the bank holiday weekend, with fewer than half of normal weekday services operating on Thursday (24) and Friday (25).

Platforms 1 to 10 have been closed since 5 August to allow the lengthening and straightening of platforms, making way for longer trains by the end of this year.

The extended closure had been planned from next Friday and through the Bank Holiday since before the works began, and is now extended to take in Thursday 24 as a result of the partial derailment of a passenger train on Tuesday at the station.

All platforms at the station are set to reopen on Tuesday 29 August.

A Network Rail spokesperson said: “We’re committed to delivering this project on time for our passengers.

“That is why we have brought forward the planned extended bank holiday closure by 24 hours following the partial derailment of a passenger train earlier this week at the station.

“This is not a decision we have taken lightly and we always said we would monitor the project very closely after the partial derailment to check for any impacts.

“We apologise to our passengers for the added disruption to their journeys and thank them for their patience. This all about delivering a bigger better Waterloo station fit for the 21st century.”

Passengers are being advised to make alternative travel arrangements across South West Trains routes from Thursday 24 August, up to and including Monday 28 August.

Those who do have to make the journey should check before they travel, expect significant disruption and a very reduced service.

 

[moley]

No comment that it has to finish on time otherwise South Eastern will struggle to work into platforms 20/21 for the following 4 days.

 

[spark001uk]

No comment that it has to finish on time otherwise South Eastern will struggle to work into platforms 20/21 for the following 4 days.

I'm guessing this is the first time the Linford st flyover has been in use since Eurostar then?

 

[GW43125]

I'm guessing this is the first time the Linford st flyover has been in use since Eurostar then?

I went over it on a charter in 2014, but first time for actual service trains since E*

 

[swt_passenger]

That's correct, following discussions between FirstMTR and Network Rail.

Emails circulated to staff late afternoon today.

Last Bank Holiday weekend of the year, I expect Thursday could be a bit of a quieter day than the last couple of Thursdays anyway.

I expect they'll manage - passengers now have the experience of the middle of last week to fall back on, so they will be prepared to a certain extent...

Wonder if the Metro and Substandard will kick off about First/MTR's compensation payments...

 

[infobleep]

Last Bank Holiday weekend of the year, I expect Thursday could be a bit of a quieter day than the last couple of Thursdays anyway.

I expect they'll manage - passengers now have the experience of the middle of last week to fall back on, so they will be prepared to a certain extent...

Wonder if the Metro and Substandard will kick off about First/MTR's compensation payments...

I wonder if more people will be back at work this week, having taken the first two weeks off as annual leave and deciding they can't take more or they'll have none left.

There was anothrr signal failure yesterday. I'm sure they said it was Battersea so would that be points being more intensively used or just an unrelated matter?

Does anyone know how many services a day less have been running, Monday to Friday across South West Trains network? Also given they have lengthened some trains, were figures of how many seats less ever published?

 

[Hophead]

What a wonderfully vague press release from Network Rail. I've searched the new South Western Rail website and had a look at National Rail, but I can find nothing to tell me how this extended closure is likely to actually affect my travel plans. It would be nice if TfL acceptance could be extended, but that's probably too much to ask for.

 

[Searle]

How happy I am to not be commuting from Guildford from now on. Hope the next week isn't too hellish for any of you poor souls out there who do have to continue commuting.

 

[nlogax]

Looking at camera 11 it seems work has now moved to the south sidings

 

[swt_passenger]

What a wonderfully vague press release from Network Rail. I've searched the new South Western Rail website and had a look at National Rail, but I can find nothing to tell me how this extended closure is likely to actually affect my travel plans. It would be nice if TfL acceptance could be extended, but that's probably too much to ask for.

Logically, you should probably just look at Fridays planned timetable, and assume that will also now run Thursday as well.

Losing platforms 11-12-13 allows for basically the same service that ran yesterday and last Saturday.

(moley had already suggested as much in post #488 above.)

 

[Dr_Paul]

Looking at camera 11 it seems work has now moved to the south sidings

Does anyone know what are the plans for the sidings off the down main local? They have been removed and the space used for storing new track panels and various items of plant. The points off the down main local are still in place (or were when I could last see them), but the ones on to the down main local at the country end of the sidings have been removed. I very much doubt that the sidings would take a 10-carriage train, but I can't see any possibility of their being extended.

 

[swt_passenger]

Does anyone know what are the plans for the sidings off the down main local? They have been removed and the space used for storing new track panels and various items of plant. The points off the down main local are still in place (or were when I could last see them), but the ones on to the down main local at the country end of the sidings have been removed. I very much doubt that the sidings would take a 10-carriage train, but I can't see any possibility of their being extended.

I read somewhere (maybe in this thread) that only one siding is going back in. They are doing some S&C in the vicinity today, its where two of the previously mentioned webcams are looking. I presume the access connection is further away from the station, as the overall 'throat' has to be significantly longer now. The points in the down main slow seem to be about where the big signal gantry across all the tracks is, just past the power substation.

Edited at 1600 to add: There also looks to be a down main slow to up main slow facing crossover going in now, as well.

 

[Class 170101]

Have the trains via East Putney been busy? Will be aiming to do this early this week?

 

[hwl]

I read somewhere (maybe in this thread) that only one siding is going back in. They are doing some S&C in the vicinity today, its where two of the previously mentioned webcams are looking. I presume the access connection is further away from the station, as the overall 'throat' has to be significantly longer now. The points in the down main slow seem to be about where the big signal gantry across all the tracks is, just past the power substation.

Edited at 1600 to add: There also looks to be a down main slow to up main slow facing crossover going in now, as well.

Just single loop siding and a headshunt towards the substation.
The new facing cross overs Up Main Slow to Down Main Slow are being added just to the country side of the trailing crossovers replaced the old ones at Easter (there didn't used to be facing crossovers as the former scissors at the platform ends did the job instead). The purpose is to trains from the up main slow to access P1.

 

[infobleep]

Logically, you should probably just look at Fridays planned timetable, and assume that will also now run Thursday as well.

Losing platforms 11-12-13 allows for basically the same service that ran yesterday and last Saturday.

(moley had already suggested as much in post #488 above.)

Pendant mode on. There are two trains on the Cobham line are going to Waterloo on the Thursday and Friday morning. These being the 6.21 and 7.16 from Guildford. Incidentally if you try to go into the station calling times for the 6.21 on the National Rail Enquiries App, it just says there is something wrong. In the evening there is a 17.41 and 18.41 running through from Waterloo.

This isn't the case on the Saturday. Every train on the Saturday is terminating at Surbiton. So it's not 100% identical timetable. Not sure what other minor variations exist in the Friday. Maybe the works are slightly reduced during those times to enable the trains to run.

Incidentally there are 4 trains an hour between, Guildford and Woking today, whereas yesterday there were only 2 an hour. That must be fairly rare, apart from other Saturdays during these works of course.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

So I'm thinking of going to Woking for the football on Bank Holiday Monday by travelling up from visiting my family in Devon in the morning. The problem is the logical thing to do is to head straight back home to York from there, but that means going into London at what is normally peak time - not only that but it's the last day of the blockade which means everything's supposed to be really busy

I'd need to get from the match to Kings Cross by 7:15 for the Grand Central (which I can get for free). In theory it's easy - I'd be arriving into London at 6ish, either Waterloo or Victoria if I change at Clapham Jc. But given all the warnings of massive queues for trains either into Waterloo or to get on at Clapham Jc, I'm not sure it's that wise. Given that I can't really justify the cost of it if I can't get to the GC, would it be best to not bother? I can't seem to find much on the news website about how busy it has actually been - it's all just howls of "DON'T TRAVEL", which is all a bit anxiety-inducing given that I can't get back without going through London

 

[swt_passenger]

Pendant mode on. There are two trains on the Cobham line are going to Waterloo on the Thursday and Friday morning...

It's pedant...

I wasn't going into specifics, just that the loss of those 3 platforms allows for a lesser service more 'like' yesterdays, than last Friday's. I.e it oughtn't to be any worse than next Fridays, but as you say may be better...

 

[HarleyDavidson]

It's pedant...

I wasn't going into specifics, just that the loss of those 3 platforms allows for a lesser service more 'like' yesterdays, than last Friday's. I.e it oughtn't to be any worse than next Fridays, but as you say may be better...

I don't know infobleep may want to be turned into a pendant when he's dead, they can turn you into a diamond after all.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

How happy I am to not be commuting from Guildford from now on. Hope the next week isn't too hellish for any of you poor souls out there who do have to continue commuting.

I'm sure we'll miss your presence. Not. :roll:

 

[HarleyDavidson]

So I'm thinking of going to Woking for the football on Bank Holiday Monday by travelling up from visiting my family in Devon in the morning. The problem is the logical thing to do is to head straight back home to York from there, but that means going into London at what is normally peak time - not only that but it's the last day of the blockade which means everything's supposed to be really busy

I'd need to get from the match to Kings Cross by 7:15 for the Grand Central (which I can get for free). In theory it's easy - I'd be arriving into London at 6ish, either Waterloo or Victoria if I change at Clapham Jc. But given all the warnings of massive queues for trains either into Waterloo or to get on at Clapham Jc, I'm not sure it's that wise. Given that I can't really justify the cost of it if I can't get to the GC, would it be best to not bother? I can't seem to find much on the news website about how busy it has actually been - it's all just howls of "DON'T TRAVEL", which is all a bit anxiety-inducing given that I can't get back without going through London

Do the sensible thing. Drive to Woking via M5, A358, A303, M3, A320, you won't have to worry about it because Woking station is quite a long way from Woking FCs ground and by law of sod it'll be chucking it with rain.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

Do the sensible thing. Drive to Woking via M5, A358, A303, M3, A320, you won't have to worry about it because Woking station is quite a long way from Woking FCs ground and by law of sod it'll be chucking it with rain.

I don't drive (no point when I work for a TOC and get most travel either free or heavily discounted). I'll be travelling up with other Torquay fans in the morning