The Planner
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Item 28 will be what the work is in the Weekly Operating Notice (WON) I suspect.I guessed that bit, just wondering if the ITEM 28 was anything in particular...
Item 28 will be what the work is in the Weekly Operating Notice (WON) I suspect.I guessed that bit, just wondering if the ITEM 28 was anything in particular...
Do you know any good dentists? lol.Yeah I understand that and especially when your daily services have been decimated and all they can think about is their once a year trip to the airport. Sad truth is I don't think they'll be getting their through services for quite some time. It's more than teething problems, I can't even see a full set of dentures sorting this out...
I’ve been in London today. Despite the mass cancellations my train into London at 8am this morning and the one home are very quiet. Normally they would be very busy.
It could just be that i’ve got lucky but I suspect it’s more likely that leisure travellers have simply decided not to travel.
This is most concerning as it will impact adversely on the wider economy if it’s not sorted fast.
I suspect you are right. I only use the service now if I have no choice. Even if they get you to your destination you are taking a big gamble they will get you back.
Changing to the tube is more convenient than not knowing whether there will be a train at your station in the morning to take you to work or worrying how long you'll be stuck in London waiting fro your train home. If you've always lived in SE London, you've no idea what it's like to get to Blackfriars or Farringdon or City Thameslink and see the mass cancellations of trains to your destination on the board for the next hour or two. There's no alternative route, no tube to Harpenden and the buses stop running after 18.30. At least in SE London you've access to the most intensive local bus network in Europe and it's entirely possible to travel from Central London to anywhere in the rest of London by bus.
Give us country bumpkins a break.
Got off a train at Stevenage along with just 2 other passengers!!!!
Never, ever have I seen this. The leisure market, at least today, has been destroyed.
But do you do it every day? There are long-standing passengers on both GN and Bed-Pan lines who are now having to reconsider their employment options because their once reasonably reliable service has been reduced to an unreliable shambles. How hard was it for you to get the train to Kings Cross, stroll to St Pancras and then get a Brigton train from there? I'd suggest a lot easier than it is for some people who are now looking for new jobs.
Does anybody know with the expanded Thameslink route knowledge required whether drivers still need to sign the diversionary Tulse Hill - Streatham - Streatham Common - East Croydon route?
Again, I ask, are we NEVER to change anything?
Of course. But the problem appears to be that TL tried to change almost everything and, as such, the whole project was doomed from the off.
If, say, you build a car then 1/ you first construct it as best you can, hoping it will all work fine but, realistically, expecting certain aspects to need adjusting, refining, tweaking, replacing, call it what you will. Crucially, 2/ you then spend a period of time testing and making adjustments as mentioned. Finally, when it's as good as it can be, 3/ you're ready to go live and so you do.
As far as the timetable is concerned, there was no way you could achieve step 2, which is rather important. So any risk assessments should have picked this up as a potential problem for a full roll-out and put forward a slow, incremental change, basically augmenting what was already there. Admittedly the final outcome might not have delivered all the benefits promised, but it would at least have been a robust model.
We get it, you want a train that runs direct from your origin to your destination and everyone else should just put up with going round the houses to accommodate you.
Well no. Consider this: Cambridge is at the heart of the largest IT cluster outside North America and the largest biotech cluster in the world.
I used to work there in microelectronics. One thing we kept hearing from international visitors was what a pain it was to get to from the airport.
Once Thameslink and Crossrail are sorted out,
And there was me thinking that it was less than 3 miles from Cambridge City Centre to the Airport !
As you would obvisouly know (having worked in Cambridge) that it has its own airport which has hosted international flights.
Greater Anglia must be loving this with all the extra Cambridge area pax buying GA only tickets ?
Thameslink should have been sorted by May 20th that’s what is annoying people because three weeks on and we’re still not seeing the full benefits that were promised to us years ago, if a project still has issues then you delay the inauguration of the service until it’s all sorted out completely you don’t launch it with the full knowledge that you don’t have enough trained drivers or that there are still kinks in the timetable.
Let’s hope Crossrail doesn’t turn into the shambles Thameslink is fast becoming
Certainly what I’ve done today. Saved a few quid too, as GA have cut the price of their weekend-only GA-only tickets by 20% or so...
Your WelcomeThanks for your valuable and completely realistic contribution.
They literally ran trial services for months before throwing the switch. I used them loads.
Gain and no pain ?I’m on the south coast at the moment. Returning home to Cambridge tomorrow. Not even going to bother trying Kings Cross. Will head straight to Liverpool Street.
Gain and no pain ?
We get it, you want a train that runs direct from your origin to your destination and everyone else should just put up with going round the houses to accommodate you.
Well no. Consider this: Cambridge is at the heart of the largest IT cluster outside North America and the largest biotech cluster in the world.
I used to work there in microelectronics. One thing we kept hearing from international visitors was what a pain it was to get to from the airport.
Once Thameslink and Crossrail are sorted out, one of the country’s most important economic engines will have direct trains to Stansted and Gatwick and one change (Farringdon) to Heathrow.
It may not matter to you, but it matters to lots of others.
I don’t see why people have to be such arses about this. I’ve been using GN a lot this last week and it’s barely recognisable as a train service, and sure, I’m pissed off.
But what I’m not doing is suggesting that the people of Royston, Letchworth etc for whom the Cambridge fasts are being stopped should just go screw themselves until this is sorted out.
The idea of running through the core from GN is a valuable one which will drive economic growth and provide a valuable service to a lot of people. Just because you don’t need it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.
I don't have a problem with some services running through the Core but it's wrong for all services from a station to run through the Core. You only have to look at places like Arlesey and Sandy to see the issues this can cause.
I'd have half of the services through the core and half to Kings Cross. That would provide a sensible balance.
I hear 365s have already re-appeared at Cambridge today. That’s another prediction come true. How long before we see some units return from store? (by my calculations there are 11 not being leased by ScotRail).
Bad again this weekend. WGC down to 1 tph (to Moorgate) at the moment. Guess we should think ourselves luck we get that.
We get it, you want a train that runs direct from your origin to your destination and everyone else should just put up with going round the houses to accommodate you.
Well no. Consider this: Cambridge is at the heart of the largest IT cluster outside North America and the largest biotech cluster in the world.
I used to work there in microelectronics. One thing we kept hearing from international visitors was what a pain it was to get to from the airport.
Once Thameslink and Crossrail are sorted out, one of the country’s most important economic engines will have direct trains to Stansted and Gatwick and one change (Farringdon) to Heathrow.
It may not matter to you, but it matters to lots of others.
I don’t see why people have to be such arses about this. I’ve been using GN a lot this last week and it’s barely recognisable as a train service, and sure, I’m pissed off.
But what I’m not doing is suggesting that the people of Royston, Letchworth etc for whom the Cambridge fasts are being stopped should just go screw themselves until this is sorted out.
The idea of running through the core from GN is a valuable one which will drive economic growth and provide a valuable service to a lot of people. Just because you don’t need it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.
We get it, you want a train that runs direct from your origin to your destination and everyone else should just put up with going round the houses to accommodate you.
Well no. Consider this: Cambridge is at the heart of the largest IT cluster outside North America and the largest biotech cluster in the world.
I used to work there in microelectronics. One thing we kept hearing from international visitors was what a pain it was to get to from the airport.
Once Thameslink and Crossrail are sorted out, one of the country’s most important economic engines will have direct trains to Stansted and Gatwick and one change (Farringdon) to Heathrow.
It may not matter to you, but it matters to lots of others.
I don’t see why people have to be such arses about this. I’ve been using GN a lot this last week and it’s barely recognisable as a train service, and sure, I’m pissed off.
But what I’m not doing is suggesting that the people of Royston, Letchworth etc for whom the Cambridge fasts are being stopped should just go screw themselves until this is sorted out.
The idea of running through the core from GN is a valuable one which will drive economic growth and provide a valuable service to a lot of people. Just because you don’t need it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist.