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overthewater

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Lots of services booked in for 29th july.. The rumor about 18 becoming 400....

  • PM0000002/94 Registered
    LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
    Route: Edinburgh, Fort Kinnaird West to Edinburgh, Airport via Clovenstone, Oxgangs Bank, RBS Gogarburn
    Service number: 400
    Service type: Normal Stopping
    Effective date: 29 Jul 2018
 
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Other interesting changes..

  • PM0000002/45 Registered
    LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
    Route: Edinburgh Airport to Edinburgh, Cameron Toll via RBS Gogarburn, Sighthill, Slateford Station
    Service number: 300
    Service type: Normal Stopping
    Effective date: 29 Jul 2018
  • PM0000002/444 Registered
  • LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
  • Route: Edinburgh, Riccarton to Edinburgh, Ocean Terminal via Old Town, Keith
  • Service number: 35
  • Service type: Normal Stopping
  • Effective date: 29 Jul 2018
 

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I notice the 36 appears to be being cut back from the gyle to now terminate again at Glenlockhart:

PM0000002/71 Registered
LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED

Route: Edinburgh, Ocean Terminal to Edinburgh, Napier Craiglockhart Campus via Lothian Road, Tollcross

Service number: 36

Service type: Normal Stopping

Effective date: 29 Jul 2018


I wonder if there's any chance the new service 300 will be a part replacement for the gyle-morningside section of the 36 in some form? Perhaps mirroring some of the 38 to provide extra capacity along the King's Buildings-Morningside section of the route?

Of course it may be much less complicated than this. Seems a shame to loose that section of the 36 it was always quite well used I found.
 

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Going by the other changes 35 or 300 must be replacing that section. Of course this could mean further changes to 36 and 38 ealry next year?
 

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I can't see how the 300 could do that axed part 36 route as it hits Slateford Station meaning it would be facing towards city centre and not Craiglochart Avenue so I suspect the 300 will continue on its usual route until it gets to the end of Chambers Street and either go right, or continue the usual route to the High Street until St Mary's St and go up there via the Pleasance.

I wonder however why they took the 300 to Cameron Toll and not to the Royal Infirmary. I mean, it's not that much further and it's a natural place for a terminus.

However given how drastic a change the 300 is about to undergo, it looks like it could be any of the routes that could fill in that gap, if its needed. However that clearly won't happen now until later in the year if not next year.
 

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It also appears that the 29 is being extended to silverknowes promenade.
The 49 is stated to go via the Wisp - is this possibly an indication of it being rerouted through danderhall?
Another minor change also is the 200 is going to be serving Ingliston P&R.
 

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It's been years since 29 has gone down to the promenade, again it's been years since the 49 went via the wisp and within Danderhall. The management is far better that crappy old ones lead by that awful craig.
 

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I think we can safely say this is the death of this route, because who is really going to use this bus ? the passengers from Tranent will no longer have a fast bus into the city. Mind you I've always wonder why the X44 never operated during the day. Also why does the 106 stil operated? I would never use either bus to get to the Fort, you're quicker taking the express bus The Jewel and then walking across to it, or waiting on the 49..

PM1050765/5 Registered

EAST COAST BUSES LIMITED
Route: Edinburgh Melville Street to Haddington High Street via Musselburgh
Service number: 104
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Jul 2018
 

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I think we can safely say this is the death of this route, because who is really going to use this bus ? the passengers from Tranent will no longer have a fast bus into the city. Mind you I've always wonder why the X44 never operated during the day. Also why does the 106 stil operated? I would never use either bus to get to the Fort, you're quicker taking the express bus The Jewel and then walking across to it, or waiting on the 49..

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EAST COAST BUSES LIMITED
Route: Edinburgh Melville Street to Haddington High Street via Musselburgh
Service number: 104
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 29 Jul 2018

The current 104 license states via Musselburgh too. This is to allow for the early starts/late finishes which start from Musselburgh High Street. Methinks its still the same and the 104 will be recieving a timetable change and not a route change.
 

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The current 104 license states via Musselburgh too. This is to allow for the early starts/late finishes which start from Musselburgh High Street. Methinks its still the same and the 104 will be recieving a timetable change and not a route change.

None of the journey actually go via Musselburgh, there just start or finish so that poor formatting on vosa half.


I also half expect the new 300 to be revised to every 30mins, and combined with the 400 to provide a 15mins service to Gyle/Sighthill area.
 

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None of the journey actually go via Musselburgh, there just start or finish so that poor formatting on vosa half.


I also half expect the new 300 to be revised to every 30mins, and combined with the 400 to provide a 15mins service to Gyle/Sighthill area.

I imagine the 'new 300' will be Airport to Gyle, current 36 route Gyle - Morningside, current 38 route to Cameron Toll, Terminating at the bus stance. If this is the case, loadings may be low on the Cameron Toll to Morningside stretch. Single Deck Operation methinks, with 200 and 400 receiving Double Deckers.

With the 'new 35' following the current 25 route to Calder Road and the current 300 route to Ocean Terminal.
 

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I imagine the 'new 300' will be Airport to Gyle, current 36 route Gyle - Morningside, current 38 route to Cameron Toll, Terminating at the bus stance. If this is the case, loadings may be low on the Cameron Toll to Morningside stretch. Single Deck Operation methinks, with 200 and 400 receiving Double Deckers.

With the 'new 35' following the current 25 route to Calder Road and the current 300 route to Ocean Terminal.
So does that mean the 38 is withdrawn? Because if it isn’t, what’s the point of having it there?
 

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So does that mean the 38 is withdrawn? Because if it isn’t, what’s the point of having it there?

Its not, as far as we know, and its also unclear if the 300 is replacing the 36 over that withdrawn section. :P
 

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I imagine the 'new 300' will be Airport to Gyle, current 36 route Gyle - Morningside, current 38 route to Cameron Toll, Terminating at the bus stance.
I can't see how this could be possible because as I said above, Slateford Station is facing the wrong way for to get to Craiglochart Avenue where the 36 goes. So it has to go via Slateford Road. It COULD go Ashley Terrace mimicing the 38 but again, this makes no sense as theres several new hotels (either built or being built) at Fountainbridge which I can't see Lothain wanting to miss out from the airport which makes me believe it will continue that route until it reaches Earl Grey Street.

I do wonder however if the 300 could go up towards Morningside from Earl Grey Street which would give the people of Brunsfield and Morningside a direct bus to the Airport and Gyle then to Grange/Blackford, or via Melville Drive towards Dalkeith Road.

Either way, it's going to be interersting to see how they run these new routes.

I do have to say however that I think it might be very confusing and perhaps it was bad judgement to have the 35 coming back again so soon after being rebranded to 300 as some folk are used to seing the skylink bus and assuming 300, and goes to Ocean Terminal... So many other options such as 28 which could have been used instead.
 

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Lots of services booked in for 29th july.. The rumor about 18 becoming 400....

  • PM0000002/94 Registered
    LOTHIAN BUSES LIMITED
    Route: Edinburgh, Fort Kinnaird West to Edinburgh, Airport via Clovenstone, Oxgangs Bank, RBS Gogarburn
    Service number: 400
    Service type: Normal Stopping
    Effective date: 29 Jul 2018
Interesting, a friend says this could be useful to him as he lives in Colinton and uses the airport a fair bit, but depends on when it finishes of an evening. The last 300 is 2305 which is often before he gets into Edinburgh so a similar time for the 400 wouldn't that useful. At least the 200 has a midnight departure.
 

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Interesting, a friend says this could be useful to him as he lives in Colinton and uses the airport a fair bit, but depends on when it finishes of an evening. The last 300 is 2305 which is often before he gets into Edinburgh so a similar time for the 400 wouldn't that useful. At least the 200 has a midnight departure.

When the 35 was converted to a 300 the timetable remained the same, and since the 400 is going to replace the 18, there's a possibility it'll probably have the same timetable. Though I could be wrong, the 200 had the advantage of being a brand new route, so hopefully not only will the 400 connect the Airport to Colinton but hopefully there be an even later link around the RIE-Oxgangs-Colinton-Wester Hailes area too.

A win-win all around I say :D
 

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I think the 36 is staying the same given previous registrations have said Glenlockhart.
300 will run normal route to Bristo Place then either Chambers Street or Nicholson Square to Cameron Toll.

Also, one of the ex-Londons has been seen at Wrights in Lothian Country livery - possible West Lothian expansion?
 
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I noticed a lot of First services cancelled
I think the 36 is staying the same given previous registrations have said Glenlockhart.
300 will run normal route to Bristo Place then either Chambers Street or Nicholson Square to Cameron Toll.

Also, one of the ex-Londons has been seen at Wrights in Lothian Country livery - possible West Lothian expansion?
 

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I think the 36 is staying the same given previous registrations have said Glenlockhart.
300 will run normal route to Bristo Place then either Chambers Street or Nicholson Square to Cameron Toll.

Also, one of the ex-Londons has been seen at Wrights in Lothian Country livery - possible West Lothian expansion?

Seems an awful lot of overlapping of services if the 300 is to do that route.

Regards the Ex-London, do you have a flickr link or anything to this effect?
 

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Good to see Cameron Toll back as a terminus - before the Hospital opened it was the final destination for a number of services (18*, 24, 38, 40) as well as the nominal one for the 42/46 circular.

(* - the old 18 was part of the 40/41 corridor - Barnton Roundabout to the Meadows)
 

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I think the 36 is staying the same given previous registrations have said Glenlockhart.
300 will run normal route to Bristo Place then either Chambers Street or Nicholson Square to Cameron Toll.

Also, one of the ex-Londons has been seen at Wrights in Lothian Country livery - possible West Lothian expansion?

Oh I never knew that, quite odd. Would of been strange if they cut it after all the work they did to extend it out to the Gyle and building a direct Morningside-Sighthill link.

I wouldn't hold my breath about West Lothian just now but it would be nice to imagine a service a daytime service to Livingston or Linlithgow.

I wonder where at Cameron Toll the 300 will terminate about?. there's no turning circle in the car park as far as I recall, maybe going around the roundabout at Sharpdale Loan and laying over outside the enterance
 

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maybe going around the roundabout at Sharpdale Loan and laying over outside the enterance

That would make the most sence the (main entrance) Lady Road bus stop has enough space for a bus to lay over before returning (and the shopping centre has facilities for driver relief).
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as far as the ex-London in country livery maybe a bebrand on the 63 maybe? To make it a full decker route and draw attention to it. With the first cuts to Winchburgh although id be more than happy with a regular Lothian service to Linlithgow or even on to Bo'ness that only has 2 a day from the capital I think (X19 PW)
 
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