Derbyshire CC propose axing all scheduled subsided bus services

[johnnychips]

Oh good...they ran it before when some cowboy operates whose name escapes me went bust.

 

[pemma]

It appears the 341 is a TfGM awarded contract which crosses the border in to Derbyshire.

 

[darloscott]

Thanks for the info jcollins! For me personally the 66 will be a great loss and I cant see anything even partially replacing a fair chunk of the route anytime soon.

In relation to the Matlock services maybe Derbyshire Connect is the answer for a replacement, although the town services cover relatively short distances the hill en route is very steep and can be proper difficult to walk up especially for elderly with shopping bags etc. There is already a pretty much constant queue of people for taxis in the err bus station at certain points of the day which I suspect will imminently increase without an alternative.

Such a shame all of these services are going, the hourly link between Buxton & Tideswell will be torn apart with the 66 being binned. It will be interesting to see what improvements High Peak can make to the 65 when they take over it fully. Hopefully they may also look at some limited replacement for the 66 too?

 

[pemma]

Such a shame all of these services are going, the hourly link between Buxton & Tideswell will be torn apart with the 66 being binned. It will be interesting to see what improvements High Peak can make to the 65 when they take over it fully. Hopefully they may also look at some limited replacement for the 66 too?

Based on their previous record if High Peak run a commercial replacement for a subsided service, expect it not to be as frequent as the old subsided service and for the fares to be up to 50% more.

 

[chessie]

Such a shame all of these services are going, the hourly link between Buxton & Tideswell will be torn apart with the 66 being binned. It will be interesting to see what improvements High Peak can make to the 65 when they take over it fully. Hopefully they may also look at some limited replacement for the 66 too?

I agree re the hourly link, its a nice set up at the mo! Derbyshire Council site has been updated and it appears there are replacements for everything being withdrawn so far but not many details have been published yet.

A pleasant surprise to see the 54 re-routed in Chesterfield, there will be a bus up to every 10 mins from town to the railway station, shame its outbound only though, hopefully an inbound annoucement to be made shortly.

 

[daodao]

Some cancellations have appeared on VOSA:

G & J HOLMES (COACHES) LTD
ERIC W BOWERS COACHES LTD

Cancellations on VOSA do not necessarily indicate that a service has been withdrawn. Another operator may be taking over part or all of the service, or the service may be being re-registered by the same company under another guise - e.g. a transfer from Arriva (NW) to Arriva (Wales). The Derby bus info website suggests that some of these services that you listed may or will be provided in an alternative way.

 

[thameslink2000]

Improvements to route 65...
https://mobile.twitter.com/HighPeakLive/status/907291473653235713/photo/1

 

[Robertj21a]

Cancellations on VOSA do not necessarily indicate that a service has been withdrawn. Another operator may be taking over part or all of the service, or the service may be being re-registered by the same company under another guise - e.g. a transfer from Arriva (NW) to Arriva (Wales). The Derby bus info website suggests that some of these services that you listed may or will be provided in an alternative way.

I believe the 66 may be run by Hulleys. can anyone confirm ?

 

[pemma]

Cancellations on VOSA do not necessarily indicate that a service has been withdrawn. Another operator may be taking over part or all of the service, or the service may be being re-registered by the same company under another guise - e.g. a transfer from Arriva (NW) to Arriva (Wales). The Derby bus info website suggests that some of these services that you listed may or will be provided in an alternative way.

Yes a cancellation on VOSA can mean a number of things. Although, usually if the same operator is transferring the route to another operating licence or registering a replacement service that would be done at the same time as the cancellation. There are also some instances where an operator has given the required 56 days notice because the contract they have is coming to an end and they've not yet heard from the local authority whether or not they've got the new contract.

 

[brompton rail]

I believe the 66 may be run by Hulleys. can anyone confirm ?

Judging by post #137, the revised Service 65 Buxton to Sheffield will be run by High Peak with new buses.

 

[Robertj21a]

Judging by post #137, the revised Service 65 Buxton to Sheffield will be run by High Peak with new buses.

Yes, it will be. My comment is about the 66.....

Just to add that they're not brand new for the 65 - Versas from DeCourcey I believe.

 

[brompton rail]

Timetable for 65 Sheffield/ Buxton from 29 October 2017 is available from South Yorkshire PTE website, though still not yet up on Derbyshire CC timetables website.

http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2943

 

[overthewater]

Timetable for 65 Sheffield/ Buxton from 29 October 2017 is available from South Yorkshire PTE website, though still not yet up on Derbyshire CC timetables website.

http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2943

First time Ive ever seen this:
Notes: Sum - Summer: Runs during British Summer Time only, Win - Winter: Runs during Greenwich Mean Time only
Strange thing is its only 15mins later in the summer..

 

[Mitch in Notts]

First time Ive ever seen this:
Notes: Sum - Summer: Runs during British Summer Time only, Win - Winter: Runs during Greenwich Mean Time only
Strange thing is its only 15mins later in the summer..

Depot working off of the 273. In winter the 273 journey doesn't serve Derwent Fairholmes, and thus arrives Sheffield 15 minutes earlier.

 

[chessie]

Derbyshire County Council Website is being constantly updated today. 66 does indeed go to Hulleys running only as far as Baslow for connections on to the 170 for onward travel to Chesterfield, Hulleys service 177 and 68 will be no more.

 

[daodao]

Derbyshire CC are slashing Sunday bus services on 27/5/18, particularly in the Peak District. One would have thought that they would have waited until the end of the summer.

 

[backontrack]

That's a shame.

 

[Typhoon]

Derbyshire CC are slashing Sunday bus services on 27/5/18, particularly in the Peak District. One would have thought that they would have waited until the end of the summer.

Oh, come on! That requires a degree of intelligence.

The idea that a campaign like 'Last chance to catch the Sunday bus to the White/ Dark Peak' wouldn't bring out the odd walker or two. Rope in a TV company who want to make a cheap programme to publicise the routes (OK, its been done before, but it did get plenty of publicity.) Finish on Bank Holiday Monday and hope for a dry summer.

I guess the problem is the main beneficiaries would be the providers and the tourist areas (who pay Council Tax to ...)

 

[Mitch in Notts]

You would have thought they'd have waited until after the Bank Holiday weekend as well!

 

[SCH117X]

The timing is down to Local Government being funded April 1-March 31. Once it is realised saving are needed in the next financial year the cuts come as soon as possible. Councils are having their subsidy reduced from Central Government to the point where they are having to become virtually self funding , normally involving commercial operations from which the profits can be used.

 

[johnnychips]

Derbyshire created a superb network in the Peak District, along with funding from the National Park. It has to be said that the buses being axed did carry rather a lot of fresh air.

 

[chessie]

Looks like G&J Holmes have either lost out big style or decided enough is enough! Credit to Hulleys who are now braving the commercial world in a rural area, see 178 that is now a Bakewell to Bakewell route via Monyash, Middleton and Youlgrave twice a day without apparent subsidy anymore. But on the whole as noted above the superb Peak District network is no more on Sundays, short sighted in my opinion especially during the summer months

 

[Robertj21a]

Looks like G&J Holmes have either lost out big style or decided enough is enough! Credit to Hulleys who are now braving the commercial world in a rural area, see 178 that is now a Bakewell to Bakewell route via Monyash, Middleton and Youlgrave twice a day without apparent subsidy anymore. But on the whole as noted above the superb Peak District network is no more on Sundays, short sighted in my opinion especially during the summer months

I believe that G&J Holmes decided to concentrate on just coach work in future.

 

[chessie]

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[AY1975]

Derbyshire CC are slashing Sunday bus services on 27/5/18, particularly in the Peak District. One would have thought that they would have waited until the end of the summer.

That's sustainable tourism gone out of the window then!

It's also scuppered my plans for this weekend. I was going to stay Sunday night in South Wingfield, on the now Mondays to Saturdays only 140 route, and then go on from there to Wirksworth on the Bank Holiday Monday. But I think I will now just go to Wirksworth for the day on Monday, though at least I'll get a ride on the Ecclesbourne Valley Railway.

This also means that, AFAIK for the first time ever, the Tramway Museum at Crich will have no Sunday or Bank Holiday bus service, not even in summer. There was a short time in the early days of bus deregulation in the 1980s that there was no winter Sunday service on the 140, meaning the museum was not served for the first and last few Sundays of the operating season.

So the only way of getting to Crich by public transport on a Sunday or Bank Holiday will be to take the Matlock train or the Derby-Manchester TransPeak bus to Whatstandwell, then walk up the hill. The museum has occasionally run a vintage shuttle bus from Whatstandwell station in the past - maybe something they should consider doing again?

 

[atraindriver]

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[AY1975]

The TMS post appeals in every issue of their members' mag for more volunteers as they're constantly struggling to staff the museum and the trams, so I doubt they'd have anyone available to play buses even if the TMS wanted to do so.

Unless you're thinking of offering your services?

It wouldn't necessarily have to be operated by someone from within the TMS - maybe they could team up with a local vintage bus owner or enthusiasts' group. Also, it wouldn't necessarily have to run every Sunday and bank holiday, but maybe just for certain special events at the museum.

Some other museums and heritage railways and tramways already operate vintage shuttle buses from the nearest station. For example, Santoft trolleybus museum near Doncaster does for some of its special events, and the Seaton Tramway in Devon has run them from Axminster station in the past for its vintage bus rally.

 

[pemma]

Ignore. Wrong thread.

 

[atraindriver]

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[brompton rail]

High Peak reduce their 65 Buxton Sheffield to two round trips per day from next weekend - 22July. Stagecoach (with Derbyshire CC support) introduce new 65 Meadowhell Sheffield Buxton with buses around two hourly. See DCC bus timetable library for t/t’s.