GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

[cactustwirly]

802101 seems to be the only IET involved with the two new 10-car 802 diagrams that started yesterday, the other one being an HST. I was just wondering if there was a platform length issue with some of the smaller stations served by 1J93 1807 Paddington - Frome? Perhaps not and its just coincidental.

The 1707 doesn't seem to have any issues

 

[Siemens Staines]

If I had remembered correctly from this morning I would have realised that the HST on the 0730 Paddington - Penzance was one of the existing 802 diagrams and the 'new' 0635 Paddington - Penzance was a 10-car IET so the question about 1J93 was irrelevant. I apologise for my fading memory - it's not what it was!

 

[SWTrainspottin]

802008 worked 1D20 0950 London Paddington - Oxford today, running DOO.

 

[mind the gap]

I Believe that these will be hst but would appreciate if I could check here if the following will be class 800’s on Friday 28th:
1A10 Bristol temple meads > Paddington
1b79 Paddington > Swansea.

Thankyou

 

[43055]

I Believe that these will be hst but would appreciate if I could check here if the following will be class 800’s on Friday 28th:
1A10 Bristol temple meads > Paddington
1b79 Paddington > Swansea.

Thankyou

The diagrams are all over the place atm but it looks like 1A10 09:00 Bristol to London will be a 800 as it looks like it comes of North Pole. Can't help you with the other one unfortunately.

 

[FGW_DID]

I Believe that these will be hst but would appreciate if I could check here if the following will be class 800’s on Friday 28th:
1A10 Bristol temple meads > Paddington
1b79 Paddington > Swansea.

Thankyou

1A10 & 1B79 are on 800(5) diagrams.

The diagrams are all over the place atm but it looks like 1A10 09:00 Bristol to London will be a 800 as it looks like it comes of North Pole. Can't help you with the other one unfortunately.

The diagrams aren’t all over the place, they are the same every day. It’s the allocated traction that may vary!

 

[CMRail]

1A10 & 1B79 are on 800(5) diagrams.



The diagrams aren’t all over the place, they are the same every day. It’s the allocated traction that may vary!

Stoke Gifford is blocked and restrictions are lifted to access sometimes meaning diagrams are swapped to be accessed.

 

[FGW_DID]

Stoke Gifford is blocked and restrictions are lifted to access sometimes meaning diagrams are swapped to be accessed.

Stoke Gifford depot is within the BP blockade but special provision has been made to allow ECS moves on/off.

“Diagrams are swapped to be accessed”

Do you actually mean Unit swaps from diagram to diagram? Diagrams don’t swap but units do!

 

[Siemens Staines]

According to tiger there are at least 3 short-formed IET diagrams through Reading/Swindon this morning. I am assuming that everything via Swindon is booked 9-car or 10-car but that could be my mistake because none of these trains are reported on journeycheck.

1A06 WSMARE PADTON 11A 08:16 08:20 08:17 08:21
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.
1C03 PADTON BRSTLTM 4 08:01 On time 08:02 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.
1G11 PADTON CHLTNHM 3 08:35 On time 08:36 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.
1A11 BRSTLTM PADTON 3 10:10 On time 10:12 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

 

[Mag_seven]

According to tiger there are at least 3 short-formed IET diagrams through Reading/Swindon this morning. I am assuming that everything via Swindon is booked 9-car or 10-car but that could be my mistake because none of these trains are reported on journeycheck.

1A06 WSMARE PADTON 11A 08:16 08:20 08:17 08:21
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.
1C03 PADTON BRSTLTM 4 08:01 On time 08:02 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.
1G11 PADTON CHLTNHM 3 08:35 On time 08:36 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.
1A11 BRSTLTM PADTON 3 10:10 On time 10:12 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

I saw a five car Paddington bound servivce having to be advertised as set down only at Reading this morning it was so packed!

 

[irish_rail]

Rumour is 1203 to penzance today will be a 5 car. Could be interesting that one if it turns out to be true would imagine passengers may get turned away as it's an extremely busy train on Thursdays.

No doubt some on here will say at least it's running , better than nothing, but in the bad old HST days a full length set would of been pinched (worse case scenario) from an Oxford or Bristol which would cause less inconvenience and disruption as there are fewer passengers on those routes midday.

I'll say it again. Far far too many 5 car sets ordered an absolute recipe for disaster.

 

[cactustwirly]

Rumour is 1203 to penzance today will be a 5 car. Could be interesting that one if it turns out to be true would imagine passengers may get turned away as it's an extremely busy train on Thursdays.

No doubt some on here will say at least it's running , better than nothing, but in the bad old HST days a full length set would of been pinched (worse case scenario) from an Oxford or Bristol which would cause less inconvenience and disruption as there are fewer passengers on those routes midday.

I'll say it again. Far far too many 5 car sets ordered an absolute recipe for disaster.

Yet another baseless anti IET rant...
There's nothing on journeycheck about the 1203.
Anyway a 9/10 car IET has a more capacity than a HST, so actually it should be an improvement if it's a full length set

 

[voyagerdude220]

Yet another baseless anti IET rant...
There's nothing on journeycheck about the 1203.
Anyway a 9/10 car IET has a more capacity than a HST, so actually it should be an improvement if it's a full length set

There might not be anything on journey check, but trust certainly shows the 12:03 Paddington to Penzance as currently being allocated to 802006 (5-car set) on its own.

Of course this could change between now and departure time.

 

[Siemens Staines]

The 1203 is now showing as a 10-car on tiger

1C80 PADTON PENZNCE 12:03 On time
Last report: At London Paddington (11:49)
Formed of 10 coaches.

 

[JN114]

The 1203 is now showing as a 10-car on tiger

1C80 PADTON PENZNCE 12:03 On time
Last report: At London Paddington (11:49)
Formed of 10 coaches.

Because the allocation software doesn’t allow you to allocate a unit that is stopped for maintenance. My guess is Hitachi knew what was going out on it but couldn’t allocate because it was still in the shed for whatever reason.

 

[Mag_seven]

There's nothing on journeycheck about the 1203.

None of the three short forms that I saw this morning were on listed on Journeycheck.

 

[Siemens Staines]

From tiger it looks like three short sets are still out this afternoon;

1C22 PADTON TAUNTON 4 17:29 On time 17:31 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches
1L80 CHLTNHM PADTON 1 17:33 On time 17:35 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches
1A27 WSMARE PADTON 3 18:12 On time 18:13 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches

 

[FGW_DID]

From tiger it looks like three short sets are still out this afternoon;

1C22 PADTON TAUNTON 4 17:29 On time 17:31 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches
1L80 CHLTNHM PADTON 1 17:33 On time 17:35 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches
1A27 WSMARE PADTON 3 18:12 On time 18:13 On time
This train has 5 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches

At 16:30 (ish) there were the above shortforms:

1C22 5 vice 10
1L80 5 vice 9
1A27 5 vice 10

There was also a 9 vice 10 & 1x HST vice IET.

 

[jeyer]

I'm interested in trying the lunch or dinner Pullman dining on GWR. I use a wheelchair which usually won't fit through the narrow door into an HST first class section, so I'm limited to IET. I'm trying to figure out which of GWRs non-breakfast Pullman dining trains are IET.

I looked at this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/remaining-gwr-hst-diagrams.164465/ and and GWR's Pullman schedule, and based on those, would guess this:

Paddington to Plymouth 12:03 IET (from 20/9)
Paddington to Plymouth 13:03 HST
Paddington to Penzance 18:03 HST
Paddington to Plymouth 19:03 IET (from 16/9)

Plymouth to Paddington 12:01 IET (from 16/9, leaves Penzance 10:00, arrives Paddington 15:21)
Plymouth to Paddington 12:55 HST
Plymouth to Paddington 18:03 IET (from 16/9, leaves Penzance 16:00, arrives Paddington 21:22)

But I had a look on tiger yesterday and today and saw the messages below. Based on that, it would seem the only IET was the 1203 from Paddington to Penzance. My options seem limited to one. Does that seem right?


1C80 1203 London Paddington to Penzance
This train has 9 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C82 1303 London Paddington to Plymouth
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C92 1803 London Paddington to Penzance
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C94 1903 London Paddington to Plymouth
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the rear 3 coaches.


1A85 1000 Penzance to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1A87 1255 Plymouth to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1A97 1600 Penzance to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.

 

[FGW_DID]

I'm interested in trying the lunch or dinner Pullman dining on GWR. I use a wheelchair which usually won't fit through the narrow door into an HST first class section, so I'm limited to IET. I'm trying to figure out which of GWRs non-breakfast Pullman dining trains are IET.

I looked at this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/remaining-gwr-hst-diagrams.164465/ and and GWR's Pullman schedule, and based on those, would guess this:

Paddington to Plymouth 12:03 IET (from 20/9)
Paddington to Plymouth 13:03 HST
Paddington to Penzance 18:03 HST
Paddington to Plymouth 19:03 IET (from 16/9)

Plymouth to Paddington 12:01 IET (from 16/9, leaves Penzance 10:00, arrives Paddington 15:21)
Plymouth to Paddington 12:55 HST
Plymouth to Paddington 18:03 IET (from 16/9, leaves Penzance 16:00, arrives Paddington 21:22)

But I had a look on tiger yesterday and today and saw the messages below. Based on that, it would seem the only IET was the 1203 from Paddington to Penzance. My options seem limited to one. Does that seem right?


1C80 1203 London Paddington to Penzance
This train has 9 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C82 1303 London Paddington to Plymouth
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C92 1803 London Paddington to Penzance
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1C94 1903 London Paddington to Plymouth
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the rear 3 coaches.


1A85 1000 Penzance to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1A87 1255 Plymouth to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the front 2 coaches.

1A97 1600 Penzance to London Paddington
This train has 8 coaches. 1st class in the rear 2 coaches.

Welcome to the forum.

Looking at next weeks diagrams, the only service from the above list that is booked for an IET (802) is 1C80 12:03 Paddington- Penzance. All the others are on HST diagrams.

 

[jeyer]

Looking at next weeks diagrams, the only service from the above list that is booked for an IET (802) is 1C80 12:03 Paddington- Penzance. All the others are on HST diagrams.

Thanks a lot.

Is it possible to tell if it will be 5, 9 or 10 car in advance? From the seating plan on the GWR site, it looks like 5 or 10 car would have more Pullman seats. I saw 9 car for 1C80 on tiger, but an earlier post mentioned it was showing up as 10 car.

Also, any idea when more of those on the Pullman schedule will be IET?

 

[FGW_DID]

1C80 is diagrammed to be 2x 802 5 car units. Unit availability may impact this on the day.

The current set of diagrams are through to December so would imagine that will be the next big changeover Point.

 

[jeyer]

1C80 is diagrammed to be 2x 802 5 car units. Unit availability may impact this on the day.

Thanks again. It's interesting that the 5 car units don't seem to have standard class wheelchair spaces, so even with a standard class ticket, wheelchairs have to be in the first class section. I guess that may or may not be the Pullman dining car on a 10 car.

 

[The Prisoner]

Rumour is 1203 to penzance today will be a 5 car. Could be interesting that one if it turns out to be true would imagine passengers may get turned away as it's an extremely busy train on Thursdays.

No doubt some on here will say at least it's running , better than nothing, but in the bad old HST days a full length set would of been pinched (worse case scenario) from an Oxford or Bristol which would cause less inconvenience and disruption as there are fewer passengers on those routes midday.

I'll say it again. Far far too many 5 car sets ordered an absolute recipe for disaster.

I can help with this because I was on it. It was initially announced as a 5 car, but didn't arrive into Paddington from the depot until a couple of minutes before the booked departure time, by which time it had been updated to a ten car.

I had booked Pullman dining and this was in the second set in the very rear coach (L). The staff were excellent and told us the diagram had gone over to IEP on Tuesday. The dining area wasn't ready until a few minutes after we left Paddington. There are 12 seats in IEP Pullman for the moment and they will up it to the rest of the coach once they have got used to the new trains.

The food was excellent as were the staff, and we tweeted GWR to that effect.

Travelled down to St Erth (St Ives) and had the following observations: as the sets were late into Paddington everyone dived into the rear set and 1st class especially (half a coach bearing in mind Pullman in the rear) was rammed very quickly - people were offered to move sets at Reading. A couple of dining customers got in the wrong set and had to move sets at Reading. There was no standard class catering west of Plymouth, although strangely we had a 1st class host who kept us going with coffee and water - she offered free coffee and water in standard, but obviously not ideal. Tim Rice was on the train and was very charming. The seats aren't great, but are bearable. A 10 coach train just doesn't fit in Cornwall - most stations are 5-7 coaches at best...the second set didn't open at all at Hayle and we had to walk forward four coaches to get off at St Erth….great that capacity is there, but infrastructure should be reviewed.

All in all I was impressed though, and the Pullman food was simply fantastic.

 

[The Prisoner]

And to answer the above comment on wheelchair space it is in the Dining Car, which makes absolutely no sense!

 

[cambsy]

Tuesday was indeed the first day of Pullman dining in an IET on 1C80 12.03 Paddington-Penzance, had Pullman dining on it. Was standard ticket though, very good service as usual. We had 9 coach 802101. You're right about the wheelchair space. Was First Class from Exeter-Penzance, the seats are fine, was perfectly comfortable on long journey. Stayed in the dining coach all the way as next coach was busy, and back from Penzance, on 1A35 17.40 Penzance-Paddington, then went to Bristol, yet again went in coach L. Was the only one apart from staff, from Penzance to Taunton.

 

[31160]

How many new sets would have been delivered and accepted since the start of the Patchway diversions when they hand back the line

 

[Peter Mugridge]

10.50 Paddington to Oxford today 1st October was 802 005.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

10.50 Paddington to Oxford today 1st October was 802 005.

Service booked for a Turbo on GWR pdf timetable. First signs Turbos are withdrawing slowly on the Oxford fasts.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Service booked for a Turbo on GWR pdf timetable. First signs Turbos are withdrawing slowly on the Oxford fasts.

Sorry I meant the 09.50; having said that the 10.50 was an IET as well - 800 019.