delt1c
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you said you wouldn"t comment further
Prosecute and convict everyone who's trespassing (there's plenty of video evidence) and fine those who stand way too close to the edge of the platform.As to the idiots trespassing, a few convictions might go a long way to addressing the issue either that or a general ban on Kettles on the National Network.
Hear Hear, lets stop blaming others.Prosecute and convict everyone who's trespassing (there's plenty of video evidence) and fine those who stand way too close to the edge of the platform.
Banning "kettles" will just disappoint everyone. The enthusiasts, but also the hard-working staff who put in countless hours of their time to get the trains mainline worthy.
Hear Hear, lets stop blaming others.
The police will almost certainly have checked that there are no other train movements at the location before allowing people to go to the far end of the platform. That situation only applied after the special had actually arrived.Unfortunately it will take someone being killed before being stopped.
It’s not just the old that get all misty eyed about steam, all ages do it. You only have to be somewhere like Doncaster or York on a Saturday when there’s a steam special running to see people balancing on the edge of the platform as if they’re on a tightrope. That goes for the people on the tours too. I remember back in May 2016 when Flying Scotsman pulled in at York. We were forbidden to pass a certain point on the platform by the BT police yet as soon as the tour percipients arrived off the train of all ages they were allowed to the far end of the platform and snap away at will all in front of the same BT police.
Grumpy & cantankerous they were too. “Out of my way I’m on the tour you know” they bellowed.
For info this was a Northern Saturday timetable; no trains and some buses. This excursion both outbound and inbound, plus ECS move at the end of the day, was the only traffic on Saturday. Effectively; it was a heritage line...The police will almost certainly have checked that there are no other train movements at the location before allowing people to go to the far end of the platform. That situation only applied after the special had actually arrived.
When you see 1960s photos with photographers on the track, the rail official in charge of the tour had always (or should have) ensured that all trains had stopped and all signals were set at danger.
It's not as simple as that, but some of us do jobs which do require us to do something about certain behaviours otherwise we are considered to be not doing our job properly.Amazing how individuals can expect others to be responsible for their actions
I often do challenge bad behaviour when I see it (most people do not) except there are occasions when it isn't safe to do so. It isn't always safe or possible to challenge bad behaviour, but that doesn't necessarily mean being complicit with it.These people will get puffer buffer tours stopped. You will only have your fellow steam buffs to blame.
If you see this kind of behaviour and don't challenge it you are complicit with it.
I don't think the operator should be prevented from operating based on the behaviour of random members of the public observing the train at remote locations.Sooner they stop these railtours the better, it's a working railway not an enthusiasts playground.
For info this was a Northern Saturday timetable; no trains and some buses. This excursion both outbound and inbound, plus ECS move at the end of the day, was the only traffic on Saturday. Effectively; it was a heritage line...
Probably yes. I'm not condoning the actions of the two individuals trackside but suggesting the risk was significantly reduced due to the absence of Northern traffic that day.So the guy on the sleeper ends knew there were no STP movements, tampers, NMT passes or general non public timetabled stuff?
Probably yes. I'm not condoning the actions of the two individuals trackside but suggesting the risk was significantly reduced due to the absence of Northern traffic that day.
Probably yes. I'm not condoning the actions of the two individuals trackside but suggesting the risk was significantly reduced due to the absence of Northern traffic that day.
They pay their way just like any other train, and usually bring in a considerable amount of goodwill to the railways.
People should take responsibility for their own behaviour?
How about the poor driver who hits a muppet photographer - you think they will be just peachy after being told “not your fault mate”?
That changed years ago. Charter operators pay for delays unless they pay for an insurance cap. Charters also pay roughly the same for delays a freight operators so we'd best ban all freight trains as well.Charters don't pay their way - if a scheduled TOC service breaks down then they have to pay all the associated compensation to all of the companies that they disadvantage - Charters don't have to pay those full costs though.
Challenging someone is one thing but there are many nutters out there who, when aroused, can get nasty and a simple polite challenge can quickly escalate into something that gets out of hand (like the man who punched a passenger on a train giving him life-changing injuries...can't remember the thread now, but it was recent)
That changed years ago. Charter operators pay for delays unless they pay for an insurance cap. Charters also pay roughly the same for delays a freight operators so we'd best ban all freight trains as well.
It has also been stated on here by at least one knowledgable insider that TOCs don't pay the full cost. Network Rail normally ends up paying some of the TOC compensation even for delays caused directly by TOCs.
If you want to search for the ORR consultation documentation from when the change took place then feel free. I'm not going to.
Glad to here, if i stick my head out an open window and get hit by something is it me or another to blame? reminds me of the the insurance claim, " Lamp Post jumped out in front of me".
Time to take responsibilty fro our action and stop blaming others.
Probably yes. I'm not condoning the actions of the two individuals trackside but suggesting the risk was significantly reduced due to the absence of Northern traffic that day.
Not relevant.
Whilst there might not be any passenger trains timetabled there is still the possibility of other stuff like tampers using the line.
A perfect example of that is the old lady on the Cambrian who was crossing the line at her UWC one Sunday morning on the way to Chapel when she was hit by a tamper. When asked why she hadn't phoned the Box first, as instructed, she said that there were no trains timetabled on a Sunday morning. She even had a copy of the timetable on her dashboard. That cost her a lot of money AND the loss of her driving licence.
The differences in attitudes towards safety even accross Europe are interesting though.
I’ve been to Switzerland for work. The heavy railway runs through towns and Villages with no fencing, just the track on some, nicely maintained shiny Swiss ballast. The carriages were low walk on double deck, the platforms were almost no existent, like a bus stop, and you walked accross the track after you got off...
In the UK it’s as if the railway is radio active and the trains invisible
The differences in attitudes towards safety even accross Europe are interesting though.
I’ve been to Switzerland for work. The heavy railway runs through towns and Villages with no fencing, just the track on some, nicely maintained shiny Swiss ballast. The carriages were low walk on double deck, the platforms were almost no existent, like a bus stop, and you walked accross the track after you got off...
In the UK it’s as if the railway is radio active and the trains invisible
Have been involved in fatality 1st hand, dont even go down that roadAnd as usual comments like this totally ignore the affect that their stupid actions will have on their relatives and friends, or the people who will have to clean up the bloody mess afterwards.
I will go down that road, having been involved with several road fatalities and having friends who get involved with road and rail fatalities.Have been involved in fatality 1st hand, dont even go down that road
are unwarranted and totally ignore the affect on anyone else.Glad to here, if i stick my head out an open window and get hit by something is it me or another to blame? reminds me of the the insurance claim, " Lamp Post jumped out in front of me".
Time to take responsibilty for our action and stop blaming others.